Cissus quadrangularis

OK, so the promised update:

Shoulder pain: Went away after the first day.

Tennis elbow: No change.

Tryglicerides: It actually went up. I had high hopes for this, but maybe taking only for 5 days before the blood test just wasn't enough. Trygs are still below 150, but higher than 6 months ago.

Appetite: I do think Cissus suppresses it. I don't have a problem with weight, so I don't care much for this effect, but I think my appetite is less on Cissus.

Pain: It does give pain relief after taking it, although it varies just how much... It should work mostly for joints and gym recovery, and my general pain is in the lower back, so not exactly its target...
 
Pekelo said:
OK, so the promised update:

Shoulder pain: Went away after the first day.

Tennis elbow: No change.

Tryglicerides: It actually went up. I had high hopes for this, but maybe taking only for 5 days before the blood test just wasn't enough. Trygs are still below 150, but higher than 6 months ago.

Appetite: I do think Cissus suppresses it. I don't have a problem with weight, so I don't care much for this effect, but I think my appetite is less on Cissus.

Pain: It does give pain relief after taking it, although it varies just how much... It should work mostly for joints and gym recovery, and my general pain is in the lower back, so not exactly its target...
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Pekelo said:
OK, so the promised update:

Shoulder pain: Went away after the first day.

Tennis elbow: No change.

Tryglicerides: It actually went up. I had high hopes for this, but maybe taking only for 5 days before the blood test just wasn't enough. Trygs are still below 150, but higher than 6 months ago.

Appetite: I do think Cissus suppresses it. I don't have a problem with weight, so I don't care much for this effect, but I think my appetite is less on Cissus.

Pain: It does give pain relief after taking it, although it varies just how much... It should work mostly for joints and gym recovery, and my general pain is in the lower back, so not exactly its target...
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Are you sure you can attribute whatever positive benefits you have experienced to this supplement? I'm glad your shoulder pain went away after the first day, but I would be disinclined to believe that a supplement would have such an immediate and noticeable effect.

As an aside, I've been told that this substance does have use in traditional medicine, but that this can be said about just about any plant. However, presently there are reportedly no reputable studies showing that the supplement does anything. I have no personal opinion one way or the other on the matter, and am only passing on what I heard from a reliable source. Even so, if you decide to continue with it, I'd be curious to know if you continue to get any specific and consistent benefits over time that you believe you can isolate and attribute to this substance.
 
The Pharm/Medical establishment has little incentive to fund studies on natural substances. Anecdotal evidence is often what what we are left with. There used to be a cardiologist and philosopher by the name of George Sheehan who wrote for Runners World Mag. He used to say "We are all an experiment of one." If we train ourselves to listen to our bodies (relatively few do), we can know what is good for us and what is not, what works and what doesn't.
 
speedo said:
The Pharm/Medical establishment has little incentive to fund studies on natural substances. Anecdotal evidence is often what what we are left with. There used to be a cardiologist and philosopher by the name of George Sheehan who wrote for Runners World Mag. He used to say "We are all an experiment of one." If we train ourselves to listen to our bodies (relatively few do), we can know what is good for us and what is not, what works and what doesn't.
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I understand your point. But anecdotal evidence is not very reliable. Years ago I've had friends who were trying to sell me on the benefits of first noni juice and then, in time, goji juice. And they swore up and down about how it did all kinds of good for them. None of them is consuming either juice presently. What does that tell you? That they're cured?

Even so, I'm genuinely willing to listen with an open mind. But the benefits are going to have to be specific and consistent over time, to rule out short-term placebo and enthusiasm.

P.S. Serious running is overrated:

http://www.cbass.com/marathonrunners.htm
 
Frederick Foresight said:
Are you sure you can attribute whatever positive benefits you have experienced to this supplement? I'm glad your shoulder pain went away after the first day, but I would be disinclined to believe that a supplement would have such an immediate and noticeable effect.
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Well, I have to ask my non-existent twin brother because he was the blind study partner....

I had the shoulder pain since the chainsawing, and it went away after taking Cissus. Sure, it could have been coincidence, I am just sharing my personal experience. If enough people do that, we can make a study...

Now I will finish the bottle (5 weeks supply) but probably won't reorder it. My general approach to supplements is: try it and see if it works.

There is a reason why most supplements have no official study: there is just not enough money in it for big pharma, and they would spend the money on research and every other maker would benefit from the good PR. Not a very good business approach...

Edit: I see Speedo has said pretty much the same...
 
Frederick Foresight said:
I understand your point. But anecdotal evidence is not very reliable. Years ago I've had friends who were trying to sell me on the benefits of first noni juice and then, in time, goji juice. And they swore up and down about how it did all kinds of good for them. None of them is consuming either juice presently. What does that tell you? That they're cured?

Even so, I'm genuinely willing to listen with an open mind. But the benefits are going to have to be specific and consistent over time, to rule out short-term placebo and enthusiasm.

P.S. Serious running is overrated:

http://www.cbass.com/marathonrunners.htm
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Running has given me joy and health for decades (remember the experiment of one thing?). There are many studies and subsequent FDA approval of drugs which have poisoned and killed many. Life is a risk, we all have to walk our own path.
 
Pekelo said:
I am just sharing my personal experience. If enough people do that, we can make a study...
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And I hope you will continue to do so.
Pekelo said:
There is a reason why most supplements have no official study: there is just not enough money in it for big pharma, and they would spend the money on research and every other maker would benefit from the good PR. Not a very good business approach...
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This is true. But it doesn't change the fact that it is also an excuse that unscrupulous outfits hide behind as they sell overhyped herbal supplements with no real evidence of efficacy. This conclusion does not necessarily apply to all such "natural" products, but it is a dark alley we should be aware of.
 
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