CIA devalues Russia on purpose so India is ahead in GDP

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Quote from Martinghoul:

Well, I see no reason to assume that Russia will always necessarily be what it is today. The changes that the country has gone through since the 90s are truly astonishing and there's no reason to believe that they stop. I confess to being somewhat biased, but I don't think one should write Russia off.

Moreover, according to the latest data, the Russian demographic crisis is, more or less, over. The natural rate of population decrease was merely 131k in 2011, which contrasts with averages consistently in the 700k - 1mil range between 1993 and 2006. Moreover, there's been an increase in net immigration, which means that the Russian population is growing. The total fertility rate has risen to 1.60 in 2011, which is pretty much in line w/developed economies (EU average 1.59, Canada 1.67). Life expectancy at 70.3 in 2011, while low by Western standards, has never been higher (previous peak was 1986-87 at 70). Deaths due to suicide, homicide and alcohol poisoning are below 1990 levels for the first time.

To me, this all indicates that, while the Russian economy has certainly benefitted from higher oil prices, with everything that entails, there's also a secular trend component that indicates an ongoing improvement in the quality of life (see, for instance, the UNDP HDI data here: http://hdr.undp.org/en/data/explorer/). So, while all sorts of problems persist, I believe there's quite a bit of hope.

What.........

Quickly delete your post you have 30 min allotted to delete it.

You probably didn't realize Russia is a direct threat to organized private central bankers and a hope for the free world.

You are betraying your masters at FED IMF, ECB, Goldman etc

Good thing I saw it before they did.........a close one.

 

[d08]

Quote from macroman:

this is funny. one should have more balanced sources of news. No wonder so many losers in trading.

emotions gentlemen, emotions control !

90% win rate must be your goal.

I'll accept a profit factor of 2 instead, you can leave me with just a 40% win rate

 

[sanxo]

Quote from johnson100:

wealthy????

Russia has the fastest declining population in the world.

Most unhealthy people
One of the most HIV+ and alcholic people
One of the lowest wages in the world

As a result people don't want to have babies. And also almost everyone is trying to escape to West.

As a result huge population decline going on. Last time I checked their population is declining 1MM every year.

russian population is growing it is now at 143 million, the west is full of debt america is a third world country now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDueEzx7pxQ&feature=related

this is your your future population

Russia average net wages are 780 $, monthly http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/B02_83/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d060/4.htm

 

[sanxo]

Quote from johnson100:

The general reduction in birth rate is different than the one in Russia

Russia has the fastest declining population in the world for many years.

There is a reason for that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rys-population-set-fall-30-cent-40-years.html

The situation is so bad that in 2015 most Russians serving in Russian Army will be muslims.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...-become-muslim-majority-army-2015-2020-a.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#Ethnic_groups

russian make 81 % now of russia from 80%, its funny how something like this comes from uk, obviously uk has 80% muslim population now. It will be called british caliphate in 5 years. America also is gonna be a latino country in 5 years, whites make only 50% of the population now your kids gonna learn speak in school.

 

[sanxo]

Quote from trefoil:

Russia is, as it has always been, a supply region, meaning a place that exports basic, raw and unfinished commodities, while importing finished goods. In the 19th century it was wheat, today it's energy, mostly, along with some gold, diamonds, and nickel.
Such an economy will by definition have a small elite that owns the resources that are exported lording it over a large, usually restless, population that knows they're out and have no way of getting into the in crowd.
It's the exact opposite of a Western economy, or the Asian tigers, or Japan or China or India. The difference is this: in any of these places, you can make it if you try or at least get lucky. In Russia, as in Saudi Arabia, you're in only if you can sit on top of a large resource base AND defend it against all comers, AND keep on the good side of the only guy who makes all the rules: the maximum leader, the King in Saudi, Putin in Russia.
In these places the law is a joke; the only thing that goes is what the leader says. What's his is his, and what's yours is negotiable.

if so why is russian industry more worth than the brazil, indian, french, britain, italian, korean, canadian, australian and the indonesian industry???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_sector#List_of_countries_by_industrial_output

And the asian tigers arent even in that list except korea. Why is it that gazprom and lokoil have a higher revenue than apple??? Natural resources are an important part of an economy i would sure trust oil more than some cheap 100 dollar ipods that break in 3 years and that arent even made in my country. Look at american industry its way far behind europe and just barley more than china now. Russia is a fourth of american industry.

Russia produces more oil than saudi arabia but unlike the saudis russia can produce its own weapons and some cars and other things. Its not only natural recourses but natural recourses are just too profitable to be lower counted than cheap 100 dollar kindles or other electronics in your industrial output.

 

[Grandluxe]

Quote from Martinghoul:

Well, I see no reason to assume that Russia will always necessarily be what it is today. The changes that the country has gone through since the 90s are truly astonishing and there's no reason to believe that they stop. I confess to being somewhat biased, but I don't think one should write Russia off.

Moreover, according to the latest data, the Russian demographic crisis is, more or less, over. The natural rate of population decrease was merely 131k in 2011, which contrasts with averages consistently in the 700k - 1mil range between 1993 and 2006. Moreover, there's been an increase in net immigration, which means that the Russian population is growing. The total fertility rate has risen to 1.60 in 2011, which is pretty much in line w/developed economies (EU average 1.59, Canada 1.67). Life expectancy at 70.3 in 2011, while low by Western standards, has never been higher (previous peak was 1986-87 at 70). Deaths due to suicide, homicide and alcohol poisoning are below 1990 levels for the first time.

To me, this all indicates that, while the Russian economy has certainly benefitted from higher oil prices, with everything that entails, there's also a secular trend component that indicates an ongoing improvement in the quality of life (see, for instance, the UNDP HDI data here: http://hdr.undp.org/en/data/explorer/). So, while all sorts of problems persist, I believe there's quite a bit of hope.

but Russian society from what i have read is incredibly xenophobic and racist.

The director of the Moscow Bureau for Human Rights, Alexander Brod, stated that surveys show xenophobia and other racist expressions are prevalent in 50 percent of Russians. In 2006, Amnesty International reported that racism in Russia was “out of control.”

I have never been there obviously, but I have seen documentaries of minorities and how they have been treated even in big cities like Moscow, there was this one about how some black and asian students always had to leave their campus in groups or they would simply be beaten up or stabbed. How can such a nation ever hope to succeed? I also read news about how some black footballers who had played in Europe and then in the Russia league who was shocked at the amount of racist abuse they received. I think the world cup winner Roberto Carlos was one of them.

 

[d08]

Quote from sanxo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#Ethnic_groups

russian make 81 % now of russia from 80%, its funny how something like this comes from uk, obviously uk has 80% muslim population now. It will be called british caliphate in 5 years. America also is gonna be a latino country in 5 years, whites make only 50% of the population now your kids gonna learn speak in school.

Who are Russians anyway but a mix of peoples. It's more about who you identify with, many latinos in the US consider themselves Americans and rightly so. The "russians" are mostly slavs mixed with the southern bordering countries (Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, China) with a hint of eastern european DNA.

 

[Grandluxe]

Quote from sanxo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#Ethnic_groups

russian make 81 % now of russia from 80%, its funny how something like this comes from uk, obviously uk has 80% muslim population now. It will be called british caliphate in 5 years. America also is gonna be a latino country in 5 years, whites make only 50% of the population now your kids gonna learn speak in school.

Your attitude is why Russia and Europe will always fail. America retains the capacity to attract talent throughout the world, regardless of ethnicity,accent,race because we value merit over everything else. Enrico Fermi, Yang Chen ning, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar are some of these who have come from abroad, became Americans and have greatly contributed to American science and technology. You will never find them in Russia.

 

[sanxo]

Quote from d08:

Who are Russians anyway but a mix of peoples. It's more about who you identify with, many latinos in the US consider themselves Americans and rightly so. The "russians" are mostly slavs mixed with the southern bordering countries (Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, China) with a hint of eastern european DNA.

russians are mixed more with asian genes than other european people but they are still whiter than many europeans and americans

Why you even go in that direction?? mein fuhrer

 

[Martinghoul]

Quote from Grandluxe:
but Russian society from what i have read is incredibly xenophobic and racist.

The director of the Moscow Bureau for Human Rights, Alexander Brod, stated that surveys show xenophobia and other racist expressions are prevalent in 50 percent of Russians. In 2006, Amnesty International reported that racism in Russia was “out of control.”

I have never been there obviously, but I have seen documentaries of minorities and how they have been treated even in big cities like Moscow, there was this one about how some black and asian students always had to leave their campus in groups or they would simply be beaten up or stabbed. How can such a nation ever hope to succeed? I also read news about how some black footballers who had played in Europe and then in the Russia league who was shocked at the amount of racist abuse they received. I think the world cup winner Roberto Carlos was one of them.

I wouldn't really call Russian society xenophobic, personally. It's racist and yes, there are all sorts of issues. However, this, yet again, is a complicated story. At least a part of this xenophobia and racism is a legacy of the past, which has been changing, slowly but surely. As to how such a nation could ever hope to succeed, I dunno. There's quite a lot of really unpleasant stuff in America's past, but it seems to have done OK for itself in the end.