Christopher Hitchens debates Hannity on God

[themickey]

Christianity is just the opposite side of the same coin, instead of Black magic you have White magic.
Prayers, chanting, idols, spells, symbolisms, babbling in tongues, cultism, rites, costumes, so called healing and miracles, spirits and more.... it's all there, very similar to witchcraft.

 

[ph1l]

I fully submit to science: show us please how matter creates itself in the absence of anything else. Then I concede that a creator is not needed to explain life.

Did you forget this article?
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/something-from-nothing/

• For the first time, we've managed to create particles without any collisions or precursor particles at all: through strong electromagnetic fields and the Schwinger effect. Here's how.

You replied with

Well we talked about an entity that must have created something for matter to come into existence. The article you cited clearly states that.

which is just not true. The article doesn't say that at all.

So, it appears you don't "fully submit to science" when the science disagrees with your prior beliefs.

 

[M.W.]

Did you actually read your own article, or do you just google titles to try to disprove others? The article clearly mentions that strong electric fields are necessary. So, please explain how those electric fields came into existence from nothing. You still need a creator in the first place.

Did you forget this article?
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/something-from-nothing/

• For the first time, we've managed to create particles without any collisions or precursor particles at all: through strong electromagnetic fields and the Schwinger effect. Here's how.

You replied with

which is just not true. The article doesn't say that at all.

So, it appears you don't "fully submit to science" when the science disagrees with your prior beliefs.

 

[themickey]

The bible is so full of hypocrisy its not funny how it attempts to project on others its own short comings.

First of the ten commandments:
1. You shall have no other God’s before me.

And the 2nd....
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images.

So what are these....

If you asked a christian to tear a bible in half, they couldn't do it.
The bible is "sacred", "holy".
The bible is a book printed by machinery produced on paper made from wood pulp, but now its 'holy'.
These things, Jesus, crosses, bible are idols and graven images the bible says you shouldn't worship.
"Oh, but that's different!" Yeah fucking yeah.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Hitchens then Dawkins then Hawking. Lol you surely, love to throw around with names to give the appearance of credibility to your claims.

Your “lol” is duly noted. Still waiting for your critique of Hawking’s conclusion, which I posted earlier. You know, one of the most brilliant astrophysicists in history who, in the final analysis, concluded that there is no possibility of a god in the universe. Admittedly, while his explanation is over my head, I think I will give the analysis of this physics prodigy a bit more credence than your feelings.

 

[ph1l]

The article clearly mentions that strong electric fields are necessary. So, please explain how those electric fields came into existence from nothing. You still need a creator in the first place.

https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/something-from-nothing/
"But even for the electromagnetic force — even if you completely zero out the electric and magnetic fields within a region of space — there’s an experiment you can perform to demonstrate that empty space isn’t truly empty."

So, there is no place that is truly empty. The article says the electrical fields are just there and doesn't mention the need for a creator.

You assume a creator like this guy is necessary.

It's apparent now that you didn't read the article.

 

[themickey]

It's apparent now that you didn't read the article.

Or had blinkers on so tight that just a chink of dim light shone through which is par for the course with christians.

 

[M.W.]

You are just bitter because someone actually read the crap you posted. Nothing gets created from nothing. Something or someone must have been there at the beginning, something we don't quite fully understand. But the logic of the existence of a creator makes a million times more sense than rejecting basic physics. Makes me way more scientific than your belief in something from nothing.

With that said I leave you to it. My stance is clear and you presented nothing worth considering a change of mind.

https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/something-from-nothing/
"But even for the electromagnetic force — even if you completely zero out the electric and magnetic fields within a region of space — there’s an experiment you can perform to demonstrate that empty space isn’t truly empty."

So, there is no place that is truly empty. The article says the electrical fields are just there and doesn't mention the need for a creator.

You assume a creator like this guy is necessary.
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It's apparent now that you didn't read the article.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Something or someone must have been there at the beginning

Following your own string of logic, then where did that "something or someone" come from? What about their beginning?

But the logic of the existence of a creator makes a million times more sense than rejecting basic physics.

You're the one rejecting on of the greatest minds in physics, remember? (Hint: Hawking.)

Seriously.

 

[M.W.]

Sorry, you can't suck me back into interacting with your convoluted thinking. You don't believe in a higher power that can exist forever beyond any human imagination. And that's fine. I respect that. The problem with your ilk is that you can't accept and tolerate any divergent thoughts and convictions.

Following your own string of logic, then where did that "something or someone" come from? What about their beginning?


You're the one rejecting on of the greatest minds in physics, remember? (Hint: Hawking.)

Seriously.

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