christian/muslim parallels

No doubt a trick to make some point. My guess would be Hitler, Mao, or some other despot who began their life idealistically, but became a corrupt individual through the intoxication and abuse of their personal power over other individuals.

You fail to read properly if you conclude my opinion is that the collective should be of greater value than the individual. The individual and the group are necessarily of equal value in a harmonious society if we speak in the ideal sense.

My perspective is that of a balance between the two is the best solution to the problems of the conflict that naturally comes when individuals of different desires and objective, different ideologies, and different needs are forced to co-exist in a society.

Their mutual survival is ultimately a dance of interdependency.


The real question where the truth can be found is:

Are the greatest accomplishments of mankind a product of pure individualism, pure collectivism, or a product of the two working in together in the harmony that comes from cooperation and a vision of the big picture.

Quote from Rearden Metal:

ART, I found a nice little quote from a book I'm sure you'd enjoy...as the author clearly shares your fondness for the collective above the individual.

<i>"I know, as certainly as it is possible for a man to know anything, that the Order will not fail me if I do not fail it. The Order has a life which is more than the sum of the lives of its members. When it speaks collectively, as it did Monday, something deeper and older and wiser than any of us speaks- something which cannot die. Of that deeper life I am now about to partake."</i>

Can you guess which book this was taken from? If not, I'll tell you in a minute... as I'm sure it would make a fine addition to your personal library.
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Quote from ARogueTrader:

No doubt a trick to make some point. My guess would be Hitler, Mao, or some other despot who began their life idealistically, but became a corrupt individual through the intoxication and abuse of their personal power over other individuals.

You fail to read properly if you conclude my opinion is that the collective should be of greater value than the individual. The individual and the group are necessarily of equal value in a harmonious society if we speak in the ideal sense.

My perspective is that of a balance between the two is the best solution to the problems of the conflict that naturally comes when individuals of different desires and objective, different ideologies, and different needs are forced to co-exist in a society.

Their mutual survival is ultimately a dance of interdependency.


The real question where the truth can be found is:

Are the greatest accomplishments of mankind a product of pure individualism, pure collectivism, or a product of the two working in together in the harmony that comes from cooperation and a vision of the big picture.
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Rhetoric,
you say.
devoid of substance.

"...heaven for climate; hell for society."
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Quote from ARogueTrader:

No doubt a trick to make some point. My guess would be Hitler, Mao, or some other despot who began their life idealistically, but became a corrupt individual through the intoxication and abuse of their personal power over other individuals.

You fail to read properly if you conclude my opinion is that the collective should be of greater value than the individual. The individual and the group are necessarily of equal value in a harmonious society if we speak in the ideal sense.

My perspective is that of a balance between the two is the best solution to the problems of the conflict that naturally comes when individuals of different desires and objective, different ideologies, and different needs are forced to co-exist in a society.

Their mutual survival is ultimately a dance of interdependency.


The real question where the truth can be found is:

Are the greatest accomplishments of mankind a product of pure individualism, pure collectivism, or a product of the two working in together in the harmony that comes from cooperation and a vision of the big picture.
More...

How much MORE TIME
shall we give this "philosophy"
This Rhetoric??!
How many more LIVES innocent
shall we offer up
in the name of
This Drivel?!
Milton lives!
he goes by name of
ARogueTrader!
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ART, I wasn't being all that tricky about it, but that was indeed a quote from Tim McVeigh's personal favorite- The Turner Diaries.

Now you'll probably say that racism is a 'bad' form of collectivism...but there are also 'good' kinds of collectivism. Well, I don't think so.


"Are the greatest accomplishments of mankind a product of pure individualism, pure collectivism, or a product of the two working in together in the harmony that comes from cooperation and a vision of the big picture."

<b>Certainly pure individualism.</b>


"I don't work with collectives. I don't consult, I don't co-operate, I don't collaborate.... ....I don't think a man can hurt another, not in any important way. Neither hurt him nor help him."

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"The 'common good' of a collective, a race, a class, a state was the claim and justification of every tyranny ever established over men. ....Actors change, but the course of the tragedy remains the same. A humanitarian who starts with declarations of love for mankind ends with a sea of blood. It goes on and will go on so long as men believe that an action is good if it is unselfish. That permits the altruist to act and forces his victims to bear it. The leaders of collectivist movements ask nothing for themselves. But observe the results."
'Howard Roark' in Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead.
 
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