I:ts exactly why Rand Paul lost, its unfortunate that Ron Paul wasnt running in this election, he would have finally gotten a legitimate shot had he run, he was 4 years too late. Rand saw what happened to his father and saw the writing was on the wall, if he didnt contort his views enough to appease the neocons he didnt think he had any other way to win. If anything i think it was a dumb move on his part, cause most of the Libertarians lost faith in him as the one who was supposed to carry the torch from Ron. This year would have been Ron Pauls dream election its really unfortunate he isnt running.
Chris Christie endorses Donald Trump
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I:ts exactly why Rand Paul lost, its unfortunate that Ron Paul wasnt running in this election, he would have finally gotten a legitimate shot had he run, he was 4 years too late. Rand saw what happened to his father and saw the writing was on the wall, if he didnt contort his views enough to appease the neocons he didnt think he had any other way to win. If anything i think it was a dumb move on his part, cause most of the Libertarians lost faith in him as the one who was supposed to carry the torch from Ron. This year would have been Ron Pauls dream election its really unfortunate he isnt running.
Its the truth. Many of us cannot vote for Christie because of "the hug".
Its hard to explain but you have to remember the atmosphere leading up to that moment. Overreaching executive orders, racial demonization and complete dismissal of the will of the people were at a kind of peak and Christie, who at that moment was perceived to be a conservative, gave Obama that hug. It carried tremendous weight and was profoundly disappointing. I could not pull the lever for a ticket with Christie on it and likely some others feel the same way.
Cabinet position? Yeah why not. VP? No freaking way! We don't want this guy breaking ties in the Senate. He is too unpredictable.
Have fun voting for Bernie.
Christie and Trump will be great together. Two fans of big government.
I was very angry about this at the time. I think it was the final domino cascading from Romney's idiotic decision to pick Paul Ryan as his VP candidate. He should have picked Christie but Christie was too Jersey for a country club republican like Romney. So we got Ryan getting his ass owned by that pompous jerk Biden in the debate, and TV ads in important swing states like Florida skewering the ticket because of Ryan's foolish SS proposals.
None of this happens if Christie is the running mate, plus he would have torn Obama apart. So part of me understands why he wanted to stick his finger in Romney's eye. Payback can be a bitch.
A Trump/Christie ticket would be hugely entertaining but probably too NY-centric. None of the usual rules apply this year however, so who knows. Rubio has talked himself out of consideration for VP and Cruz is close to doing so. Kasich has stupidly attacked Trump's signature proposal, so it's hard to see how he can be the VP pick.
You have absolutely no credibility. You claim Romney was a country club Republican and you are voting for Trump. Talk about the pot and the kettle. Ryan and Trey Gowdy are not conservative enough for you, yet you are voting for a guy who supports Obamacare's individual mandate. Three months ago you were yelling and screaming about Planned Parenthood being this terrible organization, now the guy you are voting for thinks they should be funded with taxpayer dollars and thinks they are a great organization. You have been screaming for the last 7 years that Republicans in Congress have been cutting deals with Democrats and now you support a guy who brags that he is going to cut deals with the Democrats.
So according to you Christie was pissed off he wasn't picked for VP so he planned to sabotage Romney's bid. How mature? Of course there were probably at least 10 other republicans who wanted the nod for VP also, are you suggesting they should have reacted the same way?
If Trump wins the nomination there are plenty of Republicans who will want the VP nod. According to you, the ones who don't get it should throw a fit and endorse Hillary.
Your argument is poorly thought out.
I said I was very angry about Christie's hug at the time. But as a wag once observed "politics ain't beanbag", ie it's hardball played by conscienceless people consumed with power, ego and winning. Christie is a tough guy. Cross him and there are consequences. Romney's selection of Ryan was disastrous not just because of pissing Christie off. Ryan lacked the stature and maturity to stand up to Biden, plus his SS proposals alarmed key republican voting blocs. Romney was too full of his own ego to appreciate that. Somehow he thought making a ton of money breaking up companies made him the business equivalent of Steve Jobs or Henry Ford.
I'm not saying Christie did the right thing. He didn't. But it's not the same as dozens of others because Christie had been vetted and was at the top of the short list. To be rejected in favor of a Paul Ryan had to be a bitter blow for him.
I will try to keep this simple. There is one overriding issue in this election. It is of course immigration. If we don't get a handle on it, the other issues really don't matter because we are going to end up being Mexifornia in a couple of election cycles anyway.
Trump is the only candidate with a shred of credibility on immigration. He has staked his reputation on building a wall and all that goes with it. I like Cruz, but he is full of dissembling on immigration. He is not building a wall. He's obviously a lot better than Rubio, who answers to the Chamber of Commerce and donor class, but he isn't Trump.
The other issue that is crucial is foreign affairs. For some reason the establishment republican position is we need to restart the Cold War and engage in endless interventions in the middle east. Trump is the only remaining republican candidate who is openly skeptical about any of that. The rest of them act like the Iraq war as a big success that we should emulate, and that the only problem was the Obama wasn't willing to keep US troops there for generations.
I would obviously prefer that Trump was more conservative but he is not a deep political thinker. What exactly has all our loyal support of the brand name conservatives gotten us? Planned Parenthood still receives hundreds of millions of dollars of tax money, and the guy who exposed them is facing felony indictments. Obama's illegal executive orders continue in place. Our borders are wide open to an invasion. The IRS scandal is no closer to being resolved. Gay marriage has been shoved down our throats, much as abortion was. Obamacare was fully funded. We elected republican majorities to both houses of congress, most whom ran on platforms of stopping all of this. What did we get? Bumpus, that's what. They folded at the first sign of opposition from Obama. Worse, they set up this insulting charade where they pretended to vote against things that they had already stacked the deck to ensure passage, like the Iran nuke deal or this new trade deal.
The republican grandees and a good portion of the so-called conservative commentariat make no secret of the fact that they are personally embarrassed to be associated with people like the republican base. They want us to be like the blacks are for the democrats: do what we are told and shut up. Well, it's not going down like that. They can't win without us, but we can get along fine without them.
I don't buy any of it. Trump hired illegals for his own businesses so how exactly is he credible on immigration. He called a bunch of people rapists and the knee-jerk reaction was great from the sheep. These are the same people who said we had to close all traffic to Africa or else we are all going to die from Ebola. Well air traffic was never closed down and we are all still alive. Why the hell would I want to associate with clowns like that?
Also Trump wants to bomb the shit out of ISIS. How exactly is that different from what we have been doing? Bombing the shit out of ISIS sounds like a colloquial term for 'Shock and Awe'. How exactly has that turned out? For the Iraq War, Trump supported it before he was against it so maybe Kerry can be his running mate. If you really had a problem with US foreign policy then the guy for you was Rand Paul not Donald Trump.
More bad news for you. Gay marriage is here to stay. Get over it, you lost. Trump ain't undoing that. The absolute worst part of Obamacare is the individual mandate, which Trump supports. So that is here to stay if Trump is elected. The dude beats up Ted Cruz for supporting John Roberts, who upheld the individual mandate, then Trump himself comes out and supports the individual mandate himself.
Trump always says he is great at making deals. What happens when he is in negotiations with the Russians and Trump shows up to find that the Russians have hired Megyn Kelly as their head negotiator? Is he going to show no backbone again and run off into the night?