Chop vs. Trend

Quote from gnome:

In other words.... "guess".
Well, I don't know about other people, but I prefer not to have to guess if, or for how long, a price move will continue. That is why I use "quasi-predetermined" (:D ) scaled exits. It's either that or eye of newt. :D
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

Well, I don't know about other people, but I prefer not to have to guess if, or for how long, a price move will continue. That is why I use "quasi-predetermined" (:D ) scaled exits. It's either that or eye of newt. :D

Unfortunately, there is more "eye of newt" to trading than most of us care to admit.
 
Quote from gnome:

Unfortunately, there is more "eye of newt" to trading than most of us care to admit.
Certainly the more confidence that people develop in their trading beyond merely careful, cautious optimism is a result of the "eye of newt" factor in one form or another. That's my opinion.

As an aside, that's a rather interesting name you have in view of the topic of discussion.
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

Certainly the more confidence that people develop in their trading beyond merely careful, cautious optimism is a result of the "eye of newt" factor in one form or another. That's my opinion.

As an aside, that's a rather interesting name you have in view of the topic of discussion.

I use the name "gnome" in the sense of the subterranian dwarf in folklore who guards the treasure....
 
Quote from gnome:

Interesting name? Sorry, I don't get the connection ??
Sorry, just having some fun here. Obviously, with our reference to "eye of newt," we are implying an element of witchcraft and sorcery (wizardry?) in connection with some trading methods and their perceived performance reliability. Since a gnome is a mythical creature...oh, never mind.

In any event, I assure you that there was no offense intended, particularly since we are essentially in agreement here.
 
Quote from gnome:

I use the name "gnome" in the sense of the subterranian dwarf in folklore who guards the treasure....
Oh, the literal definition, eh? You trade from your basement?
:D
 
Quote from slacker:

I have a C/C++ system also working with IB data and once had it working with the MESA and Fourier routines downloaded at

http://www.nr.com/

If you can program the system will go together quickly. You will find you can define cycles in the past, but trading the next bar remains difficult.

"Every trader is Dr. Professor of the last bar;
and Mr. Humble at the next bar."

Good luck!

slacker:D [/B]

thanks. I'll give it a try anyway. My goal isn't to forecast the timeseries. Rather, I am just looking for a small but real statistical advantage within a short time window. anyway, I have used numerical recipes quite a lot before. I'm still trying to get used to developing in this non-scientific windows environment -- I find myself having to spend a lot of time on stupid winapi/MFC issues rather than the numerical algorithms themselves....
 
Quote from slacker:

Yep, I hear ya... From my notebook of thoughtful quotes found on the web that I agree with:



Recently described in a book titled "Mean Markets and Lizard Brains" by Burnham; he describes the natural desire to find patterns where no pattern exists.



Building a 'superstition' around signal analysis and cycles can be fun.



oh one more thing. are you saying that all patterns in the stock market are not real? if you admit that there are good (human) traders out there, then that must mean there are some real trends that they are picking out. Otherwise we must conclude that all good traders are merely lucky.
 
Quote from science_trader:

You're full of dreams my dear ! This theory would be great if the market was 'trending' most of the time, but it actually doesn't ! For one big 'trend' you'll catch, you will get burned 10 times and loose in the average.

Well tried.


Your right, momentum strategies (trend following) profits are made on 20% of their trades. The focus on these types of strategies is to start by minimize your losses during directionless phases of the market which occur 80% of the time.
 
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