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read that book you call "The Old Testament." It was written about 3000 years ago. Page after page nothing but making the case Cannan belongs to the Israelites. Even making the case God himself decreed it.Quote from Lucrum:
A few days ago you were asking about the history of Israel, and now you're an expert on it?
What I know is after WWII, none of my family who didn't make it out ahead of time existed. Poof, gone. Never heard from them again.
Those that survived tried to go back to their home, no deal
Tried to go to England, too many, we have enough
Tried to go to USA, enough already
Sent to Palestine, after all, Palestinians are sub human, even worse than a jew, who cares if they lose their land?
I agree. But we don't really know how much Christians would be willing to forgive if they were in a losing position. Everybody advocates forgiveness when they are in a position of strength, and fighting to the death when they are losing.
All I hear from them over there is, "We'll stop fighting them when they stop fighting us."
How long has this been going on? And will it ever end?
I agree, you need to introduce some element of forgivness, which is totally foreign to both sides.
Maybe we ought to just convert them all to Christians. Isn't that who Jerusalem rightfully belongs to any way?
Quote from Lucrum:
A few days ago you were asking about the history of Israel, and now you're an expert on it?
Stay on topic, Lucrum. Quit trolling.
I get that.
My point was that that conflict will never end. Never.
We cannot ask for a Palastinian state because it was us who created the state of Israel. And, like you pointed out, it was done for selfish reasons. I remember reading that there were Jews who sailed to the States when the writing was on the wall in Nazi Germany. Those Jews were denied port anywhere in the US and had to sail back to Germany. We knew by then what Hitler was doing, and we sent them back to die.
So, now, here we sit, stuck in this mud. We can never get clean of it.
On an interpersonal level, I hope and pray that your family suffers no more than it already has due to the hypocrisy of heads of state.
well, I'm not that cynical. My family is very diverse, jews, christians, and now over there in Africa moslems. I don't label people and make blanket statements based on what religion they say they belong to. Some just say they are one or the other out of respect to their parents. Very few have extreme views on anything. Some do, but they are a very small minority.
in 1970 I made up my mind I would never again try to educate a racist
hard to beleive, here it is 2012, and I'm about ready to make the same decision on religion.
I always liked religion, I've studied almost all of them, and been a part of two or three of them. But maybe it's time to take the vow.
Amen. We are seeing that play out, right now. The Wingers will fight to the death before they say, okay, we lost, let's move on.
You are a lucky man oldtime. Diversity is a blessing. Makes one realize just how small this planet really is. The land anyway. Who knows what lies beneath the sea.
