China to Europe: You are just too damn lazy.

Quote from oldtime:

yeah, your original post kind of set me off.

I'd probably question your sanity if things in this crazy world (including me!) didn't set you off from time to time. :)

Thank god for understanding wives...
 
Quote from Random.Capital:

Not on this planet, it won't, if that movement crosses international borders.

The US, Canada and Mexico are supposedly embraced in the BroHug called NAFTA - there is no way in hell Ford (US) would be allowed to bring in 20,000 workers (Mexico) to a Windsor (Canada) production plant.

Imagine Intel trying to bring a few thousand line-experienced Malaysians into a Beaverton fab...not going to happen....
If John Lennon was a little more down to earth he could have written a song about it. If people were truly free to love it or leave it, nobody would want to screw a country up because everybody would just leave.

I guess the next scary thing to look for is when Mexico ships 20,000 workers to Windsor, in exchange for 20,000 F-150's.
 
Quote from oldtime:

If John Lennon was a little more down to earth he could have written a song about it. If people were truly free to love it or leave it, nobody would want to screw a country up because everybody would just leave.

I guess the next scary thing to look for is when Mexico ships 20,000 workers to Windsor, in exchange for 20,000 F-150's.
oh, I forgot, they are just mexicans, so 20,000 Ford Focus's. The US offered them 20,000 of their unemployed, but Canada declined. Something about an honest days work.
 
Quote from heech:
2) schooling is too difficult for the kids. I said earlier I'm thinking about having my kids do their early schooling in China... but I'd never let my kids attend junior high - college in China; way, way, way too stressful + difficult. The path to a decent university is incredibly challenging. They can probably put in 1/10th of the effort in the US, enjoy their childhood, and still end up attending a top university. [/B]

So basically, Chinese students are far more competitive. The West is doomed.
 
Quote from john barley:

So basically, Chinese students are far more competitive. The West is doomed.
the whole rest of the world is more competitive. If you want to see some competitive women, just go down to Mexico and flash a little cash.
 
Quote from oldtime:

I think they call it Murphy's Law, which explains why anyone you ever try to do business with is either incompetent or about to get promoted.

It's the Peter Principle. You do a good job, so you get promoted. You do a good job again and get promoted again. So on and so on until you do a crappy job. No more promotions for you!
 
The richest Asian countries (japan, singapore, hong kong) are the ones with the most western influence, the ones that adopted more elements of the western model of liberal democratic capitalism. Taiwan and South Korea are much poorer than those 3, and much poorer than USA, UK, France, Germany, Scandinavia etc. Let's take a look at how Malaysia did with their "Asian values" lol, or even N Korea or PRC China - it was a pure fad.

And let's not forget, the Asian tigers only developed because of the western-paid military protection offered to them, otherwise they'd be Chinese or Japanese colonies by now.

Take a look at the facts - correlations across study after study, linking overall freedom (both individual, democratic, and economic) with higher living standards. Some two-bit ivory-tower pen-pusher can say all he likes, that doesn't alter verifiable facts and evidence.

Yes, you can definitely go from economically repressed 3rd world shithole to 2nd world status by opening up the economy - see Russia, Brazil, India, China, the dictatorial Asian states etc. But to go to proper 1st world status you need to go beyond just producing commodities or cheap labour industries, you need to move up the value chain, and that requires intelligent people to run more of a knowledge-based economy. If you are a repressive dictatorship which doesn't allow individual rights, persecutes minorities etc, many of the intellectual class will emigrate, and fewer will migrate in. The net result is lower level of prosperity, worse leadership across the economy and government, and so on.

Freedom is not just morally right, it is more profitable, and results in more prosperity, wherever it is tried, regardless of cultural differences.

Quote from Grandluxe:

Really?

Is Europe begging China for money or the other way around?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...illion-euro-as-leaders-seal-eu-crisis-deal.do

Singapore is a capitalist country but that does not mean it has copied the western political system and ideas of individual freedom as paramount above everything else.

I don't claim to be an expert on Asian affairs either, but from what I know, the East Asian developmental model has been decidedly different.

This is actually way off topic...but.

South Korea achieved the highest rate of growth and industrialised under a military dictatorship led by Park Chung Hee. In fact the first civillian president of South korea did not occur until Kim Young sam won the election in the 1990's.

Taiwan never held direct presidential elections and was virtually a one party dictatorship from 1949 until the 1990's where Lee teng Hui won the presidency. By this time, Taiwan had already industrialised and beame one of the 4 asian economic tigers.

The LDP has ruled Japan since 1955 and has won every single election until 2009. While having free and fair elections, Japan is widely considered to be a one-party dominant state.

Ditto for Singapore.

Ironically enough, the old British colony of Hong Kong is thriving today because it is the gateway to the China market. Look at HKG port traffic after the liberalization of Chinese economy, it has freaking exploded.

If you actually know what you are talking about, You will know that Lee Kuan Yew, long time prime minister of Singapore publicly as well as in his books repudiated the Western political model in favor of an East asian development system that has placed different ideals and values over the western one.

There is no western triumphalism. The East Asian model has proved to be a worthy competitor.

You should read the very highly regarded Kishore Mahubani who has widely elucidated this viewpoint.
 
Quote from Ghost of Cutten:

Take a look at the facts - correlations across study after study, linking overall freedom (both individual, democratic, and economic) with higher living standards. Some two-bit ivory-tower pen-pusher can say all he likes, that doesn't alter verifiable facts and evidence.
This is really not true. When you're speaking of correlations + study, which ones? When I look at correlations, I see any number of incredibly poor nations across the third world who aspire to "freedom"... and yet haven't reached them.

There are more democracies in Africa, today, than dictatorships. Same goes for South Asia, central Europe, etc, etc. Where do they fall on your table of correlations?

And it's ironic that you'd suggest Hong Kong (was) free. It never had anything approaching democracy as a British colony; it's governor was appointed, not elected.
 
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