China should be sued for $6.5 trillion for coronavirus damages says top UK think tank

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"Chinese government literally suppressed information by either being ignorant or simply not giving a damn."

US government did 100 times worse.

Density is most important factor that impacts total coronavirus cases.
China is 10 times as dense as US, while its total coronavirus cases is only 1/4 of that of US.
You know why?
The reason is exactly what you said:US government "literally suppressed information by either being ignorant or simply not giving a damn."

 

[d08]

"Chinese government literally suppressed information by either being ignorant or simply not giving a damn."

US government did 10 times worse.

Density is most important factor that impacts total coronavirus cases.
China is 10 times as dense as US, while its total coronavirus cases is only 1/4 of that of US.
You know why?
The reason is exactly what you said:US government "literally suppressed information by either being ignorant or simply not giving a damn."

You can't measure density this way in any large country. Take Russia for example, no population density statistically but in reality most of the people live in large cities as there's large amount of uninhabited or almost uninhabited land.

If you still believe the numbers China releases now then I can't help you. They've lied from the start. Nowadays the crematoriums in Hubei are still going at full speed when the official story is "nothing to see here, go back to work".

 

[wmwmw]

If you ever went to China, you would understand this.
The west part of China has very little population because it is not suitable for human living.
If you drive cross China, you will never see a soil that is not cultivated.
If you walk in big cities, it is often difficult to move on the street because too many people walk on the street.
In fact, 10 times as dense is an underestimate.

 

[Amun Ra]

OK, I should have been more specific, China has never been the aggressor when it was at war with any other nation, that obviously excludes any civil/domestic conflict with territories already belonging to China. The only exception I can think of is Tibet.

I ask again, what is your country's track record?

They invaded Vietnam in 79, soviet union in 69, India in 62, Korea in '50 and of course CRC invaded ROC and you may consider that a civil war, but the losers of that war would disagree.

You sound like a chinese shill by the way. Especially with that name, but then referring to the US as "your countries track record" when you should've been saying "our country"

 

[FrankInLa]

Can we drop personal insults? You don't like China, I get it. Neither do I. But I like facts the most. Prior to January 30 the US had no idea whether the virus can be transmitted between humans. Neither did anyone know in Europe. And now pls apologize if you want to be taken seriously. You made a mistake and are proven wrong with below link.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0130-coronavirus-spread.html

Didn't know I was dealing with a complete imbecile.



Ever heard of MERS? Also known as MERS-CoV. Guess what the CoV stands for -- CORONAVIRUS. Has killed thousands officially and in secretive countries like Saudi Arabia, probably a lot more. And it transfers from human-to-human.





Chinese government literally suppressed information by either being ignorant or simply not giving a damn. Either way they were completely incompetent and are at fault for it becoming as bad as it did.


"Dr Li, 34, tried to send a message to fellow medics about the outbreak at the end of December. Three days later police paid him a visit and told him to stop. He returned to work and caught the virus from a patient. He had been in hospital for at least three weeks.

On 30 December he sent a message to fellow doctors in a chat group warning them about the outbreak and advising they wear protective clothing to avoid infection.

What Dr Li didn't know then was that the disease that had been discovered was an entirely new coronavirus.

Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter. In the letter he was accused of "making false comments" that had "severely disturbed the social order".

"We solemnly warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice - is that understood?" Underneath in Dr Li's handwriting is written: "Yes, I do."

He was one of eight people who police said were being investigated for "spreading rumours".

At the end of January, Dr Li published a copy of the letter on Weibo and explained what had happened. In the meantime, local authorities had apologised to him but that apology came too late.

For the first few weeks of January officials in Wuhan were insisting that only those who came into contact with infected animals could catch the virus. No guidance was issued to protect doctors.

But just a week after his visit from the police, Dr Li was treating a woman with glaucoma. He didn't know that she had been infected with the new coronavirus."

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Now tell me again how they could've done nothing.

The amount of people talking about viruses now on ET having done NO reading at all is astounding. Either read up on the subject or shut up.

 

[FrankInLa]

You don't seem to get it. Nobody denies that China faked numbers. But you can't fake numbers in 2020 to the tune of several orders of magnitude. Coverups in China on a small to medium scale are possible but not massive ones. The train accident several years ago was proof of that. Neither can China hide today if in fact more than 50,000,for example, would have died. Someone must have seen the urns or mass incinerators. There is simply zero evidence out there that suggest that China faked numbers on a massive scale. Underreported? Sure but not orders of magnitude. And that speaks for the successful approach China has taken. Total massive lock down and quarantines. And it worked. That is a fact. You may not like to hear it but there is tons of evidence out there that proves that.

I read many of your posts and you seem to be an intelligent guy and seem to take a logical approach to debate issues. I get you may be angry that you or your family is stressed. But we all are to some degree. Can't we not yet debate and discuss issues with facts as our basis of exchange?

You can't measure density this way in any large country. Take Russia for example, no population density statistically but in reality most of the people live in large cities as there's large amount of uninhabited or almost uninhabited land.

If you still believe the numbers China releases now then I can't help you. They've lied from the start. Nowadays the crematoriums in Hubei are still going at full speed when the official story is "nothing to see here, go back to work".

 

[FrankInLa]

China was asked for help by North Koreans in 1950 and never invaded Korea. The US suffered a defeat and North Korea was formally established.

China did not invade Vietnam nor Korea. You must have slept in history class. The US invaded Vietnam without invitation by any party and murdered thousands of civilians. Nothing of that was defensive in nature. Communist forces on the other hand invited China and pleaded with them to support them. The US suffered a massive defeat.

Pls don't falsify history. Here is a little readup that you surely can appreciate.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Vietnam_relations

In 1969 there was a brief border war between China and Russia. China never invaded Russia. Another false claim.

They invaded Vietnam in 79, soviet union in 69, India in 62, Korea in '50 and of course CRC invaded ROC and you may consider that a civil war, but the losers of that war would disagree.

You sound like a chinese shill by the way. Especially with that name, but then referring to the US as "your countries track record" when you should've been saying "our country"

 

[d08]

China was asked for help by North Koreans in 1950 and never invaded Korea. The US suffered a defeat and North Korea was formally established.

China did not invade Vietnam nor Korea. You must have slept in history class. The US invaded Vietnam without invitation by any party and murdered thousands of civilians. Nothing of that was defensive in nature. Communist forces on the other hand invited China and pleaded with them to support them. The US suffered a massive defeat.

Pls don't falsify history. Here is a little readup that you surely can appreciate.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Vietnam_relations

In 1969 there was a brief border war between China and Russia. China never invaded Russia. Another false claim.

Southern Vietnamese very much wanted the US to invade because otherwise the north would have slaughtered them all. Go talk to some actual Vietnamese.

 

[d08]

Can we drop personal insults? You don't like China, I get it. Neither do I. But I like facts the most. Prior to January 30 the US had no idea whether the virus can be transmitted between humans. Neither did anyone know in Europe. And now pls apologize if you want to be taken seriously. You made a mistake and are proven wrong with below link.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0130-coronavirus-spread.html

Ad hominem because so many aren't willing to spend even 10 minutes reading about the subject. You said "it was previously not even known that Corona can be passed between humans" and that is categorically wrong.
You seem to be having a problem with reading comprehension.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) today confirmed that the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) has spread between two people in the United States, representing the first instance of person-to-person spread with this new virus here.

Recognizing early on that the 2019-nCoV could potentially spread between people, CDC has been working closely with state and local partners to identify close contacts of confirmed 2019-nCoV cases.

That does NOT mean they didn't think the virus spreads person-to-person, only that it's the first case in the US. How clear do you want it made?

Other Corona viruses spread person-to-person so it was hardly a surprise to anyone.

The Chinese doctor warned about this exactly and the Chinese REFUSED to look into it at all. They buried their head in the sand and now everyone suffers. How about that for facts.

 

[Amun Ra]

China was asked for help by North Koreans in 1950 and never invaded Korea. The US suffered a defeat and North Korea was formally established.

China did not invade Vietnam nor Korea. You must have slept in history class. The US invaded Vietnam without invitation by any party and murdered thousands of civilians. Nothing of that was defensive in nature. Communist forces on the other hand invited China and pleaded with them to support them. The US suffered a massive defeat.

Pls don't falsify history. Here is a little readup that you surely can appreciate.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Vietnam_relations

In 1969 there was a brief border war between China and Russia. China never invaded Russia. Another false claim.

Wrong. China attacked Vietnam and captured several cities. Please don't falsify history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War#China_attacks_Vietnam

China has killed more humans than any other country in history. Don't try to paint them as the good guy.