China Computers

[gaussian]

China Computers

The Chinese government is to rid itself of foreign computer equipment over the next few years. Government offices and public institutions will have to switch to local vendors—bad news for Microsoft, Dell and HP, but also a move that somewhat mirrors U.S. efforts to keep out Chinese technology. Financial Times

The intelligence agencies have been pushing to dump Chinese hardware as well. Unfortunately they own everything. China is likely doing this for the same reason we should all be throwing away our Chinese phones and routers. Even if we assume all Chinese workers are honest, a government agent threatening your family is enough for you to put a backdoor in the hardware. I'm sure they're worried about the same thing. Being a software engineer myself, I am not sure if you can even do anything in the event you get a NSL demanding you install a backdoor in software. You can't even get a lawyer, and you're arrested if you tell anyone about it.

how can china gov replace windows？

By using their own version of a Linux OS. North Korea uses Red Star OS, China uses Kylin.

Adding PE support on top of any given operating system isn't very difficult for a team of OS developers (see ReactOS, WINE). I'm guessing this is for the government, because Windows is a security threat (its already backdoored) and it's not a far stretch to guess that America is very interested in exploiting the same backdoor to spy on China.

 

[guru]

If it's so terrible for them, why were US tech companies selling to China? Of course, no one can prevent pirate copying or even reverse engineering non-cloud software but for hardware the cost equation is fairly different given the investments necessary to produce hardware that competes with e.g. an Intel CPU. I assume they wouldn't have been in such as rush to change from US hardware companies without the recent Trump induced events.

I will read article later tonight I hope. To be clear, I don't think all of Trump's China policy is stupid, but cutting China off from tech just leads to them finding solutions around that in a bit longer term.

Selling to China is not a problem in itself. The problem and the goal is to stop China from stealing/copying/spying. Whether they continue buying or not, is their choice, but the problem needs to be solved. This may require giving up some profits, so it has cost. But every solution has cost. Nobody wants to negotiate with terrorists when they hold hostages. Sometimes hostages get whacked. Sometimes good people suffer. Sometimes solving the problem costs shitload of money Usually thieves and terrorists lose in the end.

 

[Banjo]

Taiwan loses 3,000 chip engineers to 'Made in China 2025'
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/China-tech/Taiwan-loses-3-000-chip-engineers-to-Made-in-China-2025

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Cover-Story/Huawei-s-rapid-rise-is-driven-by-a-global-talent-hunt

 

[guru]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/1-i...stole-their-ip-within-the-last-year-cnbc.html
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1 in 5 corporations say China has stolen their IP within the last year

KEY POINTS

• Theft of intellectual property by Chinese companies is a major point of contention between the Trump administration and Chinese government.
• Just under one-third of CFOs of North America-based companies on the CNBC Global CFO Council say Chinese firms have stolen from them at some point during the past decade.
• U.S. trade policy remains a negative for businesses around the world, but right now European CFOs are expressing the biggest concerns about trade policy as an external risk factor

As President Donald Trump says his administration is moving closer to a trade deal with China, one of the major sticking points has been China’s disregard of intellectual propertyprotections and claims dating back years about rampant Chinese theft of corporate trade secrets. The allegations are not hyperbole.

One in five North American-based corporations on the CNBC Global CFO Council says Chinese companies have stolen their intellectual property within the last year. In all, 7 of the 23 companies surveyed say that Chinese firms have stolen from them over the past decade.
“

 

[piezoe]

China may well be an unreliable partner and a thief of intellectual property, but Donald Trump is certainly not the one to successfully negotiate a solution to such a problem. His tactics will fail!

It would seem he has never learned that successful negotiation between two powerful countries depends on finding win-win compromises. Trump does not seem to comprehend that he isn't negotiating with a contractor that has limited legal recourse and could expect to bully into submission.

It appears that Trump is not truly interested, or either not capable of, serious negotiation on trade issues with other countries. He seems happy to settle for the appearance of negotiating followed by a claim of great success. This I believe is nothing other than an attempt to fool naive supporters.

Knowing Trump's business history, I guess it is not surprising that he is not a good negotiator. Trump has a long history of business failures. He has been involved in at least 3500 lawsuits as an adult! The approximately 200 million he inherited apparently had been enough to employ lawyers to brow beat many, certainly not all, opponents into submission.

Here is what USA Today had to say prior to his being elected. [ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/ ]

The legal actions provide clues to the leadership style the billionaire businessman would bring to bear as commander in chief. He sometimes responds to even small disputes with overwhelming legal force. He doesn’t hesitate to deploy his wealth and legal firepower against adversaries with limited resources, such as homeowners. He sometimes refuses to pay real estate brokers, lawyers and other vendors.

As he campaigns, Trump often touts his skills as a negotiator. The analysis shows that lawsuits are one of his primary negotiating tools. He turns to litigation to distance himself from failing projects that relied on the Trump brand to secure investments. As USA TODAY previously reported, he also uses the legal system to haggle over his property tax bills. His companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and the New York State Department of Finance has obtained liens on Trump properties for unpaid tax bills at least three dozen times.
​

This pattern continues to this day -- I think there are currently numerous lawsuits he or his businesses are parties to, and explains in part why he has been such a singularly unsuccessful business man, losing millions for others but managing to save himself with a barrage of skillfully delivered lies, and if the testimony of others is to be believed, falsified bank statements. After his major bankruptcy, when he left ~72 U.S. banks holding the bag, he courted, and was courted by, Russian Oligarchs and ever since has been largely dependent on them and Deutsche Bank, the only western bank with a Russian Branch, for financing. Of course the Russians anticipate something in return other than profits, as they must be well aware of Trump's lack of business prowess.

 

[dozu888]

people who blame Trump generally speaking have been brain washed by the leftist fake news.

china operates this way - they go to US company A, say Mr. A, joint venture with us, but we need you to show IP secrets... if you don't show, we go to your competitor B.

if A has 100% market share, of course he'd say no, but we have anti-trust therefore B does exist.

of course this is all against WTO rules... but who gives a f when WTO can't enforce shit.. hence Trump's threat to quit the WTO.

 

[dozu888]

I would like to comment regarding my general observation of Trump's negotiating skills. It would seem he has never learned that successful negotiation between two powerful countries depends on finding win-win compromises. Trump does not seem to comprehend that he isn't negotiating with a contractor that has limited legal recourse, and could expect to be able to bully into submission.

It appears that Trump is not truly interested, or either not capable of, serious negotiation on trade issues with other countries. He seems happy to settle for the appearance of negotiating followed by a claim of great success. This I believe is nothing other than an attempt to fool naive supporters.

Knowing Trump's business history, I guess it is not surprising that he is not a good negotiator. Trump has a long history of business failures. He has been involved in at least 3500 lawsuits as an adult! The approximately 200 million he inherited apparently had been enough to employ lawyers to brow beat many, certainly not all, persons or organization into submission.

Here is what USA Today had to say prior to his being elected. [ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/ ]

The legal actions provide clues to the leadership style the billionaire businessman would bring to bear as commander in chief. He sometimes responds to even small disputes with overwhelming legal force. He doesn’t hesitate to deploy his wealth and legal firepower against adversaries with limited resources, such as homeowners. He sometimes refuses to pay real estate brokers, lawyers and other vendors.

As he campaigns, Trump often touts his skills as a negotiator. The analysis shows that lawsuits are one of his primary negotiating tools. He turns to litigation to distance himself from failing projects that relied on the Trump brand to secure investments. As USA TODAY previously reported, he also uses the legal system to haggle over his property tax bills. His companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and the New York State Department of Finance has obtained liens on Trump properties for unpaid tax bills at least three dozen times.
​

This pattern continues to this day -- I think there are currently numerous lawsuits he or his businesses are parties to, and explains in part why he has been such a singularly unsuccessful business man, losing millions for others but managing to save himself with a barrage of skillfully delivered lies, and if the testimony of others is to be believed, falsified bank statements. After his major bankruptcy, when he left ~72 U.S. banks holding the bag, he courted, and was courted by, Russian Oligarchs and ever since has been largely dependent on them and Deutsche Bank, the only western bank with a Russian Branch, for financing. Of course the Russians anticipate something in return other than profits, as they must be well aware of Trumps business prowess.

China may well be an unreliable partner and a thief of intellectual property, but Donald Trump is certainly not the one to successfully negotiate a solution to such a problem. His tactics will fail!

you have pitched this win win thing too many times.. this is all academic fantasy.. and typical leftist fake media attack on the president.

China doesn't think this way... you cannot negotiate win-win when the other party think win only for him.

 

[piezoe]

you have pitched this win win thing too many times.. this is all academic fantasy.. and typical leftist fake media attack on the president.

China doesn't think this way... you cannot negotiate win-win when the other party think win only for him.

I offered facts and real observations to back up my assessment. Why not do the same, if you want people to take something of value from your post?

 

[guru]

China may well be an unreliable partner and a thief of intellectual property, but Donald Trump is certainly not the one to successfully negotiate a solution to such a problem. His tactics will fail!

It would seem he has never learned that successful negotiation between two powerful countries depends on finding win-win compromises. Trump does not seem to comprehend that he isn't negotiating with a contractor that has limited legal recourse and could expect to be able to bully into submission.

It appears that Trump is not truly interested, or either not capable of, serious negotiation on trade issues with other countries. He seems happy to settle for the appearance of negotiating followed by a claim of great success. This I believe is nothing other than an attempt to fool naive supporters.

Knowing Trump's business history, I guess it is not surprising that he is not a good negotiator. Trump has a long history of business failures. He has been involved in at least 3500 lawsuits as an adult! The approximately 200 million he inherited apparently had been enough to employ lawyers to brow beat many, certainly not all, opponents into submission.

Here is what USA Today had to say prior to his being elected. [ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/ ]

The legal actions provide clues to the leadership style the billionaire businessman would bring to bear as commander in chief. He sometimes responds to even small disputes with overwhelming legal force. He doesn’t hesitate to deploy his wealth and legal firepower against adversaries with limited resources, such as homeowners. He sometimes refuses to pay real estate brokers, lawyers and other vendors.

As he campaigns, Trump often touts his skills as a negotiator. The analysis shows that lawsuits are one of his primary negotiating tools. He turns to litigation to distance himself from failing projects that relied on the Trump brand to secure investments. As USA TODAY previously reported, he also uses the legal system to haggle over his property tax bills. His companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and the New York State Department of Finance has obtained liens on Trump properties for unpaid tax bills at least three dozen times.
​

This pattern continues to this day -- I think there are currently numerous lawsuits he or his businesses are parties to, and explains in part why he has been such a singularly unsuccessful business man, losing millions for others but managing to save himself with a barrage of skillfully delivered lies, and if the testimony of others is to be believed, falsified bank statements. After his major bankruptcy, when he left ~72 U.S. banks holding the bag, he courted, and was courted by, Russian Oligarchs and ever since has been largely dependent on them and Deutsche Bank, the only western bank with a Russian Branch, for financing. Of course the Russians anticipate something in return other than profits, as they must be well aware of Trumps business prowess.

I totally agree that Trump is bad negotiator and not even smart in general.
I’m also not smart about such stuff, but I hear China complaining that we’re holding them hostage, while I’m at least smart enough to understand it’s them holding the US companies hostage for much longer.
And China’s goal is to outsmart everyone, and I haven’t seen even smartest people in the world solving this problem in the past 10-20 years.
That’s why I have enough of this BS and I’m ok with brute force and high cost of solving the problem.
If Trump is approaching this in a dumb way than it’s because all the smart people failed us and allowed the situation and him to get to this point.

 

[trader888i]

American companies cannot compete with China okay, that is why they want the gov't to prevent 'competition' or giving American companies an 'advantage' over foreign competition which protectionism

As for 'stealing ' US patents are not valid in other countries if there is no WTO..the US patent office has no jurisdiction or power outside of US jurisdiction, and vast majority of US patents FDA patents is gov't controlled racket monopoly forcing other private companies or consumers to pay them a consumer 'tax' on some BS patent okay

as for 'stealing' you don't own the idea music own the 'invention' okay!

the US patent office is scam anyways. now. you have lawyers hijacking on patents ip squatting and using the legal system to extort money from companies for alledged 'ip theft' pffff using the gov't mafia courts.

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'Are you saying that CEOs and intellectuals aren’t asking Trump to help stop China from stealing, copying and replacing US companies? Are you saying that you’re happily selling products to thieves who’ll copy and replace and destroy your company, and you’re smarter than Trump?"