Chicago Trading Careers

It's not a totally terrrible attitude. If you really can feel like you can take a $100 bill, take a torch to it and burn it and not feel bad, you _might_ succeed after the trashing you will get at -$2400.

Thing is, do you really think that is going to be enough to make you profitable? Probably not in my experience...All you will have at the end of it is -$2400 and a believe that trading is gambling.

Let me give you a little history of what the markets are like. There was once alot of money being thrown around in the markets. This made the food chain not so bad. At one end ofthe spectrum there were the sharks, and at the other there were the guppies. But there were so many guppies that the big shrimp could feed on the little shrimp. In those days, the little shrimp could even pick on the whales that came by with their titanic inflows that everyone made money.

Now the situation today. There is little if any shrimp left in the sea. There are mostly sharks, and they are really really pissed that there is no shrimp to eat. So when a paper trading newbie shrimp comes in, there is this feeding frenzie for that shrimp. Imagine yourself benig a little shrimp and 200 piranhas see you as food. The situation is so bad that only the big sharks are left and there is lots of cannibalism going on amongst the sharks that the weakest of the sharks have bit the dust.

Welcome to the eMini Stock Index Futures.

nitro
Quote from tradertony76:

Thanks all to everyone who pitched in their thoughts. Some final thoughts of my own.

I am fully aware that "teaching myself the markets" and "knowing how to trade" are two completely different animals. I can read books on trading. I can take classes in trading. That doesnt mean I know squat about actually trading.

Of course I have pride. Going from a normal corporate job to running or interning isnt exactly a great career jump. However, my mentality here was that either of these moves would enable me to work along side traders who have been in the business awhile. My thoughts were that I might do better learning from actual traders than trying to teach myself. However, it doesnt seem like many trading firms want to bring on a 28 year old trading assistant/intern/apprentice. So much for that idea.

Sounds like my best bet is to paper trade until I'm confident in my abilities, and then open up a futures trading account and see how I do. Trade for awhile, add the experience to my resume and see if I can get picked up by a prop firm as a trader instead of trader's assistant . Hell, IIT classes are $2400 a pop. I'll start trading small. If I lose a couple grand, I'll chalk it up as an elective. :D
 
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Trade for awhile, add the experience to my resume and see if I can get picked up by a prop firm as a trader instead of trader's assistant . Hell, IIT classes are $2400 a pop. I'll start trading small. If I lose a couple grand, I'll chalk it up as an elective. :D [/B]


This has been discussed before. There is very little reason to go "prop futures" If you have 5k to trade and limit yourself to E-mini 1 lots (NQ would be cheaper than ES), you won't get hurt too bad (if you use stops). You would have plenty of leverage and the 5k should last you for a while.

Tbill
 
I am having trouble even getting an Assistant trader position, and I graduated from a top 50 college, with a degree in physics. Its awful trying to get into trading companies out there.
 
Fuck TT. I'll take out the panzies using TT with my $50 /year subscription using Zero Line Trader.

Why people use such expensive Front Ends boggles my mind -- but what the hell do I know, I'm just some retail chump right?


Quote from tradertony76:

TorontoTrader,

You make a valid point. While I'm looking around for trader's assistant positions and apprenticeships at trading firms, I havent had any luck yet. I think you may be right that without any trading experience under my belt, my chances of getting any offers are going to be slim and nil.

As I'm still a new at futures trading, I decided to get started paper trading futures. Lind Waldock is nice enough to make their trading software available for free, so I'm going to play around with that and try and work all the stupid newbie mistakes out of my system.

My next question for anyone out there: If I'm looking to be a retail futures trader, could anyone out there point me in the direction of a good trading front end and quote provider?

All the hype seems to be on TT's products, and my understanding is they are not priced for the retail trader. Are there less expensive products that provide enough functionality that I wont get eaten alive out there ? Or are the front ends given out by FCMs such as Lind Walkdock's LindXpress or XpressTrade's web based interface good enough ?



-Tony
 
Quote from Tuneman:

I am having trouble even getting an Assistant trader position, and I graduated from a top 50 college, with a degree in physics. Its awful trying to get into trading companies out there.

where have you applied?
 
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