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chicago and a bankrupt US and money printing ala argentina
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those parents have jobs ,go to work,accomplish something on a daily basis, they are not idle minds living on handouts teaching there kids little beyond street smarts and applying for govt help,instead of free checks we need to setup programs,you get paid for attending,accomplishing,learning ,changing the environment from the inside of each person, not the landscape,there is no profit in it ..but the money that our govt does spend is allowed because we have elected them..we can harp on the freeloaders now, but the malaise amongst american voters is slowly putting us in the same boatQuote from denner:
And the parents in the rich suburbs pay exorbitant property taxes for the priviledge. But in your delusional mindset, it's a great idea to ship in the freeloaders whose parents have literally no skin in the game.
Quote from Free Thinker:
when did inner city kids ever have the nice new schools the rich suburbs have?
george bush talked about no child left behind, which i thought was a good idea, but there was never any money behind it. it has since failed.
Please don't tell me you've never heard of school busing programs, open enrollment, etc. What do you think the purpose of that was?
My point, is that if you take a bunch of inner city students, 75% of which have horrible parents (broken families, etc), you can bus them to the newest, shiniest and best school in a 25 mile radius and 3/4's of them will not see any benefit.
It has been tried. It doesn't work. In fact, students learned far more in the 50's when they went to schools that lacked all the amenities that "new schools" are now supposed to have.
It's not the building. It's often not even the teachers. The districts are certainly to blame, but 90% of the problem is with the kids and the families they come from.
Quote from billyjoerob:
Kansas city spent billions on schools, as mandated by a judge. Made no difference. It's been tried. This is called the "red brick" theory of education, that learning takes place in buildings, therefore building larger buildings is the key to education. Education cargo cult. If you want better schools, first start with smarter kids.
It's funny that you bring up the train wreck that is the Kansas City, MO school district.
It is so bad, that the state recently seized control from the KCMO school district. The district is also not accredited. Colleges and universities do not recognize their diplomas. A GED is superior to a diploma from a KCMO school.
Quite sad.
Quote from Free Thinker:
when did inner city kids ever have the nice new schools the rich suburbs have?
Ya know what? White people left behind a well run urban school as they headed out to the burbs......
now about shiny........ can't just walk around and paint a school classroom. If you need a ladder to paint a wall, it's a job for the union. Shit ain't getting painted because the school district can't afford union painters. I don't think the janitors in the burb are union, we don't need an "electrician" to hange a bulb.
Quote from denner:
And the parents in the rich suburbs pay exorbitant property taxes for the priviledge. But in your delusional mindset, it's a great idea to ship in the freeloaders whose parents have literally no skin in the game.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/h...-an-anti-poverty-experiment-happiness.html?hp
Where I live they tried open enrollment and what happened is our city became the private school capital of the world. So as the inner city black kids came in, any parent who could pulled their kids and put them in private school. So now our school system gets less state money because it has so many fewer kids and the only kids in public school are poor kids. Much like Chicago.
How bad is it you ask? City wide only 58% of school age kids attended public school. In some neighborhoods, over 80% of school age kids go to private school.
As you would expect, all this has also led to mass teacher layoffs and numerous closed schools. With a higher population, the city has fewer public schools today than it did in 1975 and easily 20x more private schools.
The good news is the cost of a great education isn't bad at all due to all the competition.
How bad is it you ask? City wide only 58% of school age kids attended public school. In some neighborhoods, over 80% of school age kids go to private school.
As you would expect, all this has also led to mass teacher layoffs and numerous closed schools. With a higher population, the city has fewer public schools today than it did in 1975 and easily 20x more private schools.
The good news is the cost of a great education isn't bad at all due to all the competition.
competition and markets are not words in obama's andthe democrat's dictionary. their major words are bailouts and regulations,Quote from Deadwood:
Where I live they tried open enrollment and what happened is our city became the private school capital of the world. So as the inner city black kids came in, any parent who could pulled their kids and put them in private school. So now our school system gets less state money because it has so many fewer kids and the only kids in public school are poor kids. Much like Chicago.
How bad is it you ask? City wide only 58% of school age kids attended public school. In some neighborhoods, over 80% of school age kids go to private school.
As you would expect, all this has also led to mass teacher layoffs and numerous closed schools. With a higher population, the city has fewer public schools today than it did in 1975 and easily 20x more private schools.
The good news is the cost of a great education isn't bad at all due to all the competition.
Quote from piezoe:
Of course and whatever! But none of these considerations will let the Chicagoans (Chicagonese?) out of their obligations. Pay what you owe and then re-evaluate. Teacher salaries may deserve to be cut in half, but frankly I doubt that. Nevertheless if that's done you might as well give up on public education altogether, and hence on any semblance of democracy. I wouldn't work in the Chicago schools for half the salary and neither will anyone else you might want to hire.
By definition, no solution is realistic if it does not incorporate making good on current obligations. Otherwise you'll end up paying not only what you owe the teachers, but lawyers as well. And that would just be plain stupid.
your description is exactly what happened during the Argentinian crisis. the central government bailed out the provinces to pay the debts and salaries of their govt. workers by printing money. the economy collapsed. professionals and the middle class fled en masse, unfortunately many fled to spain and some are now facing a crisis. some went to Israel, australia and canada. they are doing well.
obviously, there is a reason that people and businesses are migrating to low tax states like texas and florida.
"By definition, no solution is realistic if it does not incorporate making good on current obligations. Otherwise you'll end up paying not only what you owe the teachers, but lawyers as well. And that would just be plain stupid.
taxes will go sky high. maybe the government will pay some good lawyers(which is smart) and abrogate their contracts. most likely people will vote with their feet to get away from the riffraff.
Quote from Deadwood:
Where I live they tried open enrollment and what happened is our city became the private school capital of the world. So as the inner city black kids came in, any parent who could pulled their kids and put them in private school. So now our school system gets less state money because it has so many fewer kids and the only kids in public school are poor kids. Much like Chicago.
How bad is it you ask? City wide only 58% of school age kids attended public school. In some neighborhoods, over 80% of school age kids go to private school.
As you would expect, all this has also led to mass teacher layoffs and numerous closed schools. With a higher population, the city has fewer public schools today than it did in 1975 and easily 20x more private schools.
The good news is the cost of a great education isn't bad at all due to all the competition.
This is close to perfection, imo. Whereabouts are you?