Chevy Volt takes 27 years before owners save money

Quote from Sandybestdog:

If the national average is 32 miles roundtrip, then in fact the Volt would be perfect for the average person. Since you have still not presented a single piece of evidence or story of anybody consistently only getting 25 miles per charge, I'll just have to go off of my real world experience of 35+ miles per charge. How can I be the one telling falsehoods when you are the one who can't back up youir statements?

You continually cite how the concept version of the Volt was so much better and how you wanted to buy one, but just now went on a rant about how the battery's will pollute ground water. Assuming GM made the production car as you claim the concept car was, and you bought one, I don't see how using your logic, the battery disposal would be any different. So in fact, you would be contributing to the pollution. But putting that aside for just a minute, please answer me one question. I can drop my old laptop battery at any number of recylcing places in the area so it can be disposed off/recycled properly. If I can do that with a laptop battery, why would a car battery be any different? You mean to tell me that when I'm done with the car, it's just going to be towed away and dumped in a river?

As stated before, I would much rather buy coal from West Virginia than oil from Saudi Arabia/Iran/Canada. Our own innovation with electric and natural gas powered vehicles is our key to energy and economic security.
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The 25 mile per charge range was cited in a documentary by Eric Bolling of Fox News:

GM put a press fleet Chevrolet Volt in the hands of Eric Bolling of Fox’s The Five (video embedded below). Maybe they thought Bolling would feel the same kind of love for the Volt that tree huggers experience upon climbing into their first Toyota Prius. Not quite. Bolling criticized the battery-power performance of the Volt, about 25 miles, when the Nissan Leaf approaches 100 miles. Bolling noted that, two days in a row, “The car ran out of electricity in the Lincoln Tunnel on my way to work,” which prompted a co-host Kimberly Guilfoyle to pipe up and say, “I’d rather roller skate backwards in the Lincoln Tunnel than drive that thing and break down.” Bolling added, “Why would you put out an electric car that gets only 25 miles?”

The Volt has been a tremendous failure for the engineering, economic and environmental reasons I've already cited. I think that electric cars will become mainstream in the future but it won't be because of the GM Volt. There is nothing innovative about a car cobbled together from off-the-shelf hybrid parts and a chassis designed for internal combustion engines. GM threw away a pretty good design in order to save a little money and ended up with a car that nobody wants aside from a few democrats, a few people unable to understand the technical flaws and others who drive only a few miles per week.

It isn't even necessary to discuss the serious safety flaws of the Volt, the cars lack of range and other performance issues condemns it to the scrap heap of history even if it doesn't burst into flames. You drive a Volt for ideological reasons. I select cars for their value in terms of performance, cost and durability.
 
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First of all, I would never do a lease-end buyout. If I wanted to keep the car I would have negotiated a price and just bought it in the first place.

Second, I would not consider buying a Volt or any other hybrid car. I don't drive enough to be affected by gas prices and the technology has not been around long enough to convince me that these cars are equal to cars that run solely on fossil fuel. For a 3-year lease I might be open to trying it out to see what all the hoopla is about. However, I'm not that curious as of now.

Last, I agree with you that in general it's more cost effective to purchase a car rather than lease. I have leased in the past because of convenience rather than cost-effectiveness. For the Volt, however, I'm unconvinced that buying is better than leasing even from a cost standpoint. You say the guys who come up with these residual values for the Volt are pretty good. Pretty good at what? Helping to get government-subsidized cars off the lot and into people's garages? These guys are working with fudged numbers to begin with.

GM is a member of the too-big-to-fail club. If the Volt doesn't sell, I can see the government snapping them up like Segways in the next stimulus package for the government fat fucks to drive around.
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OK, so I'm not really sure what your point is in all of this. What would you like the lease numbers to look like? Why don't you just look at it from a numbers perspective?

By the way, as for my dealership, we have sold very few Volt's to the government and fleet company's. You know, car company's are not stupid. They know how to manage inventory. It's not like they are going to mass produce so many and then beg the government to come buy them. If they get to more than a 6 months supply or whatever, they cut back production until the inventory balances out.
 
Quote from 377OHMS:
The 25 mile per charge range was cited in a documentary by Eric Bolling of Fox News:

GM put a press fleet Chevrolet Volt in the hands of Eric Bolling of Fox’s The Five (video embedded below). Maybe they thought Bolling would feel the same kind of love for the Volt that tree huggers experience upon climbing into their first Toyota Prius. Not quite. Bolling criticized the battery-power performance of the Volt, about 25 miles, when the Nissan Leaf approaches 100 miles. Bolling noted that, two days in a row, “The car ran out of electricity in the Lincoln Tunnel on my way to work,” which prompted a co-host Kimberly Guilfoyle to pipe up and say, “I’d rather roller skate backwards in the Lincoln Tunnel than drive that thing and break down.” Bolling added, “Why would you put out an electric car that gets only 25 miles?”

The Volt has been a tremendous failure for the engineering, economic and environmental reasons I've already cited. I think that electric cars will become mainstream in the future but it won't be because of the GM Volt. There is nothing innovative about a car cobbled together from off-the-shelf hybrid parts and a chassis designed for internal combustion engines. GM threw away a pretty good design in order to save a little money and ended up with a car that nobody wants aside from a few democrats, a few people unable to understand the technical flaws and others who drive only a few miles per week.

It isn't even necessary to discuss the serious safety flaws of the Volt, the cars lack of range and other performance issues condemns it to the scrap heap of history even if it doesn't burst into flames. You drive a Volt for ideological reasons. I select cars for their value in terms of performance, cost and durability.
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OK, I meant a credible news source. Fox news is not. That wasn't a documentary. Kimberly Guilfoyle said "I’d rather roller skate backwards in the Lincoln Tunnel than drive that thing and break down.” Does she not understand how the car works? She's acting like it broke down or something went wrong. The car seemlessly switched to extended range gas mode. That's what's supposed to happen. The car did not stop working.

I have attached a picture of my Volt's energy performance. The useable battery amount of the Volt is 10.4 KWH's. As you can see I drove 34 miles and used 8.1 KWH. At that rate, if I had used the full 10.4 KWH before it switched over to gas, I would have gone almost 44 miles on all battery.

Considering everybody else seems to be getting way more than 25 miles to a charge, you have to wonder what this guy was doing to the car. Just like any ordinary gas car, you aren't going to get the estimated MPG if you are blasting the heat or A/C, driving aggressively, or driving above 60 MPH.
 
Quote from Sandybestdog:

OK, I meant a credible news source. Fox news is not. That wasn't a documentary. Kimberly Guilfoyle said "I’d rather roller skate backwards in the Lincoln Tunnel than drive that thing and break down.” Does she not understand how the car works? She's acting like it broke down or something went wrong. The car seemlessly switched to extended range gas mode. That's what's supposed to happen. The car did not stop working.

I have attached a picture of my Volt's energy performance. The useable battery amount of the Volt is 10.4 KWH's. As you can see I drove 34 miles and used 8.1 KWH. At that rate, if I had used the full 10.4 KWH before it switched over to gas, I would have gone almost 44 miles on all battery.

Considering everybody else seems to be getting way more than 25 miles to a charge, you have to wonder what this guy was doing to the car. Just like any ordinary gas car, you aren't going to get the estimated MPG if you are blasting the heat or A/C, driving aggressively, or driving above 60 MPH.
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Range is 25 miles and Fox is a credible news source unless you are a liberal half-wit. You seem awfully comfortable with lying but I guess that is common in your "profession". The Volt is a terrible car and I've explained that assertion repeatedly with regard to engineering, economic and environmental concerns. You seem prepared to blather on about what a great car it is when its been proven that it sucks. Any normal person would just drive their car and not feel compelled to lie about its performance. You are living proof of how dishonest GM and its dealerships are Sandybestdog. You haven't the sense or manners to know when you've been out-debated. The car is a failure and you are a failure as well.
 
Possibly already addressed but if the Volt is so great why is the Toyota Prius out selling it by leaps and bounds? Isn't the market place the ultimate arbiter of what product is better/successful?
 
Quote from 377OHMS:
Range is 25 miles and Fox is a credible news source unless you are a liberal half-wit. You seem awfully comfortable with lying but I guess that is common in your "profession". The Volt is a terrible car and I've explained that assertion repeatedly with regard to engineering, economic and environmental concerns. You seem prepared to blather on about what a great car it is when its been proven that it sucks. Any normal person would just drive their car and not feel compelled to lie about its performance. You are living proof of how dishonest GM and its dealerships are Sandybestdog. You haven't the sense or manners to know when you've been out-debated. The car is a failure and you are a failure as well.
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I just showed you that I can get over 40 miles to a charge and you still say the Volt (a car no doubt you have never even driven) only gets 25 miles to a charge. How am I the one lying?

OK, where are the owners complaining about this? Where are the others saying they are dissapointed with the range? If the Volt is such a miserable failure, why does it have the highest customer satisfaction rating of any vehicle? 93% say they would buy it all over again. Are 93% of all Volt owners really just tree huggers who want to pay extra for a terrible vehicle?

http://news.consumerreports.org/car...y-edges-out-dodge-challenger-porsche-911.html
 
Quote from Lucrum:
Possibly already addressed but if the Volt is so great why is the Toyota Prius out selling it by leaps and bounds? Isn't the market place the ultimate arbiter of what product is better/successful?
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The Volt is a new vehicle that is the only one of it's kind. At this point it's not something that can be hugely mass produced. It will be a slow ramp up to full production.

Let me put this in terms you can understand. A new mom and pop restaurant opens. They have great food at great prices and everybody seems to love it. So why doesn't it do the same sales as the McDonald's right next door? Well, because it's McDonald's.
 
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