Chevy volt production is stopped.

FightTheFuture · Mar 2, 2012

Report: Every Chevy Volt has over $250,000 in government subsidies

http://jalopnik.com/5870507/report-every-chevy-volt-has-over-250000-in-government-subsidies

brokerboy · Mar 2, 2012

Quote from clacy:

Hey, don't give the Dems any ideas. This thing is already heavily subsidized.

everybody hates the dems until they have a problem after all your not legally required to cash a SS check or use medicare. they subsidize a project like this if hopes it benefits us 20 years from now so no sense to look at the cost today.

Eight · Mar 3, 2012

Quote from brokerboy:

after all your not legally required to cash a SS check or use medicare.

We're legally required to pay into that s%^t though...

clacy · Mar 3, 2012

Quote from brokerboy:

everybody hates the dems until they have a problem after all your not legally required to cash a SS check or use medicare. they subsidize a project like this if hopes it benefits us 20 years from now so no sense to look at the cost today.

LOL.... you point to SS, which has recently become insolvent, long-term as your great example. And by the way, I am legally required to pay payroll tax on myself and my employees, so who in the hell would be stupid enough to pay in and not receive their SS benefits?

We have $15 TRILLION in debt, I don't think we need to be bankrolling crappy cars that can't stand in the market place on their own.

When it becomes economically viable and desirable, the private sector will figure out electric cars, but the US government cannot afford to subsidize GM until that point is reached.

ajcrshr · Mar 3, 2012

GM had their chance with the EV1 fifteen years ago. I think it may have been more technologically advanced than the volt. Failure is the best market regulator.

brokerboy · Mar 3, 2012

Quote from clacy:

LOL.... you point to SS, which has recently become insolvent, long-term as your great example. And by the way, I am legally required to pay payroll tax on myself and my employees, so who in the hell would be stupid enough to pay in and not receive their SS benefits?

We have $15 TRILLION in debt, I don't think we need to be bankrolling crappy cars that can't stand in the market place on their own.

When it becomes economically viable and desirable, the private sector will figure out electric cars, but the US government cannot afford to subsidize GM until that point is reached.

that's kind of like saying hey everybody was looting officer so i did too. you have freewill so protest not taking it in hopes of your same minded friends doing the same. i am not defending anything this is just an open minded observation on what you can personally do to save the country money. they won't arrest you i promise.

also its not stupid if you don't take it could be ethical even. do you take anything that is free?

bigmoose · Mar 3, 2012

The EV1 was and is the benchmark. Think how the performance of that vehicle would be today with lithium batteries! I have followed threads of university prof's that have resurrected one of the few EV1's that was not crushed. The engineering in all the sub systems of that vehicle were like they came from a UFO... simply amazing.

Sandybestdog · Mar 3, 2012

Quote from dandxg:
Kinda like their Chevy Malibu. Even I, owner of 2 Toyotas have to admit it was a good vehicle and good really good reviews even from Toyota mngt, but if all you can do is match Toyota's value prop. for a Camry you don't have a chance. In order to take market share you have to be better not close to equal. When I did a quick comparison a couple of years back their price was equal. Why would that motivate someone take a chance on an a Chevy after having such good luck with Toys and Hondas? Maybe some genius at GM can answer that. And before someone says Buy American both of Toys are American made.

TrueCar says the target price for a Malibu LS is $19,667. The Camry L is $21,501. That's a 10% difference in price. Plus the Malibu has a 40,000 mile longer powertrain warranty. That should be enough for you to "motivate" you. I have nothing against Toyota. Pretty much every car made these days is pretty good.

I remember a few months ago a couple came in to look at a Malibu. I showed it to them and then they said they were going to look at a Camry. I said the Camry was a good car and I'm sure they would be happy with it and then gave them a few reasons why I thought the Malibu was better. The next day they came back and bought the Malibu. They told me that the deciding factor was when they asked the Toyota salesman why they should buy a Camry over a Malibu. He told them, "well, because it's a Toyota."

If you really want to compare good cars, look at the Sonata.

clacy · Mar 3, 2012

Quote from brokerboy:

that's kind of like saying hey everybody was looting officer so i did too. you have freewill so protest not taking it in hopes of your same minded friends doing the same. i am not defending anything this is just an open minded observation on what you can personally do to save the country money. they won't arrest you i promise.

also its not stupid if you don't take it could be ethical even. do you take anything that is free?

You're not very bright if you equate taking a SS benefit that I've paid into and legally entitled to receive, and looting because everyone else is doing it.

There is no free will on the front end of SS. Either pay in, or go to jail.

I have no ethical dilemma in claiming benefits that I'm entitled to regardless if I believe that the government should be involved in the retirement business or not.

Sandybestdog · Mar 4, 2012

Quote from 377OHMS:
Well, first off GM lied and claimed it was an electric vehicle with onboard generator. It wasn't.

Except it is.

Quote from 377OHMS:
The car was propelled by the onboard gasoline engine and not very efficiently at that.

The gas engine can assist it at high speeds while in extended range mode. If the car is in extended range mode, who cares? It's burning gas anyways. While in gas free electric mode (the first 25-40 miles), it uses no gas.

Quote from 377OHMS:
So it was a hybrid. A lousy hybrid.

Wikipedia defines a hybrid vehicle as "a vehicle that uses two or more distinct power sources to move the vehicle." The Volt uses one distinct power source (the battery), therefore I wouldn't label it as a hybrid.

Quote from 377OHMS:On electric power the vehicle had a range of 25 miles. Fine for some government bureaucrat commuting between Georgetown and K-street but ridiculous for real people.

The range is 25-40 miles, depending on conditions and driving styles, and it covers my commute just fine. And I'm not a government bureaucrat. By the way, nobody lives in Georgetown and certainly nobody is dumb enough to commute to K Street. It's a nightmare down there. At least get your facts straight.

Quote from 377OHMS:Then of course there was the vehicle's predisposition to BURN after a minor accident. Every see lithium burn? Think thermite.

Please point out the minor accident that involved a fire. There have been no real life accidents involving a fire. Google "New Jersey Turnpike Volt".

Quote from 377OHMS:And then there was the way that GM screwed its bondholders and gave the company to the UAW basically assuring that no self-respecting republican would buy a GM product for perpetuity.

If you want to critisize the company, critisize the company. If you want to critisize the vehicle, critisize the vehicle. Nobody is saying the Silverado is a bad vehicle because GM took a bailout. Blaming unions is so ten years ago.

Quote from 377OHMS:GM says it will restart production at some point but it is laying off 1300 workers from the Volt factory. Yeah, they'll be rehired. Welcome to the 99-week boogie.

The factory where the Volt is produced, makes other GM vehicles as well. They'll probably be ok, even if the Volt is eliminated.