Cheney backs Limbaugh over Powell on GOP future

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

I've forgotten more about election stats than you'll ever know. Yes, as always, AAA is correct. Your post is full of shit.

You might want to look at exit polls. "Registered" voters are meaningless. Chicago city workers including cops and firemen wouldn't dare register as GOP but they vote 75% Republican.

Around 1 out of 3 Hispanics voted for McCain. Around 1 in 10 blacks voted for McCain and 2 out of three people who identified themselves as Christian with children voted for McCain.

Cripes you act as if the guy got 12% of the vote. 9 out of 20 people voted for him. Given the fund raising disparity, trhe media imbalance, the economy, his poor debate performances and the firestorm of anti-Palin publicity, Obama's win-as his lackluster Clinton victory-was hardly a mandate.

And before you answer "well because white folks refused to vote for him". I'll retort that Obama received the highest % of white votes of any Democrat since Carter.

YOur post seems to be fuller of shit too; the Republicans got trounced no matter the excuses you claim. And they are compounding it by making Rush the face of the party and letting Cheney whine about how great torture is.

The exit polls suport what I've said, that the GOP gets its main support from grumpy old men; in Cook county the only demographic to favor McCain was white guys over 45. Young voters favored Obama by about 70%. So where is the shit I'm supposed to be full of?

Also, where do you get your data for 75% of city workers vote Republican; if I recall, Cook county went Obama by over 2:1.

Demographics are one of the most powerfull forces on earth and they are now aligned against the GOP.

Obama's support even in the face of all the bad economic news seems to be growing not shrinking which I think is what your post implies.

Seneca
 
Wanted: A Fighting Party
by Patrick J. Buchanan

05/12/2009


As was evident at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, it is deja vu, 1961, all over again. We have a young, cool, witty, personable president -- and an adoring press corps.

"I am Barack Obama," the president introduced himself. "Most of you covered me. All of you voted for me. (Laughter and applause.) Apologies to the Fox table. (Laughter.)"

What is also evident is that, without its new superstar in the lineup, the Democratic Party is a second-division ball club. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are not terribly formidable. Last fall, the Congress they ran had an approval rating below Vice President Cheney.

Why then is the Republican Party agonizing publicly over what it is supposed to do? If history is any guide, the pendulum will swing back in 2010.

After all, in 1952, Eisenhower was elected in a more impressive victory than Obama's, and ended the Korean War by June. And, in 1954, he lost both houses of Congress.

Lyndon Johnson crushed Goldwater by three times the margin of Obama's victory. He got Medicare, Medicaid, voting rights, and a host of Great Society programs. And, in 1966, he lost 47 House seats.

Ronald Reagan won a 44-state landslide in 1980, cut tax rates -- and proceeded to lose 26 sets in 1982.

Bill Clinton recaptured the presidency for his party in 1992 after 12 years of Republican rule. In 1994, he lost 52 seats and both houses of Congress.

Though, demographically, the nation is tilting toward the Party of Government, the GOP must remain the party of free enterprise, and should follow the counsel of Australia's Robert Menzies, long ago:

"(T)he duty of an opposition ... is to oppose selectively. No government is always wrong on everything. . The opposition must choose the ground on which it is to attack. To attack indiscriminately is to risk public opinion, which has a reserve of fairness not always understood."

Rather than debating what the national party position should be on foreign policy, health care, education, or social issues -- which the party will decide when it chooses a nominee in 2012 -- the GOP should focus now, and unite now, on what it will stand against.

Here the party has a good start. With the exception of Specter the Defector and the ladies from Maine, it united against the $800 billion stimulus bill. And as it is impossible to shovel out an added 6 percent of GDP in two years, without vast waste, fraud and abuse, this stimulus package is going to come back and bite Obama by 2010.

And, recall, in his address to Congress, Obama assigned Joe Biden to see to it there was no waste, fraud or abuse in spending the $800 billion: "And that's why I've asked Vice President Biden to lead a tough, unprecedented oversight effort -- because nobody messes with Joe."

Joe has been set up to take the fall.

The next place to take a stand is against "cap and trade."

More and more Americans are coming to conclude, after the record cold temperatures in many cities this winter, that global warning is a crock -- that there is no conclusive proof it is happening, no conclusive proof man is the cause, no conclusive proof it would be a calamity for us or the polar bears.

But cap and trade would mean a huge hike in the cost of energy for all Americans, the shutdown of fuel-efficient U.S. factories, and their replacement by dirtier and less fuel-efficient Chinese plants.

And we do know the agenda here is a vast transfer of wealth and power from U.S. citizens to government bureaucrats, and from the U.S. Government to global bureaucrats who will run the oversight and enforcement machinery set up by the Kyoto II conclave in Copenhagen.

A third issue on which Republicans ought to stand and fight is health care. For the end goal of Obamacare is the same end goal as Hillarycare: nationalization, bureaucrats deciding what care each of us shall receive, when we may receive it, and whether we even ought to have it.

If the Republican Party remains the party of the individual and the private sector, does it have any choice but to fight?

For if cap-and-trade passes, and Obamacare becomes law, the government share of GDP rises to European socialist levels, and, as we saw after the Great Society, there is no going back.

A party defines itself by what it stands for, and what it stands against. After the Bush era, the Republican Party has been given the opportunity to redeem and redefine itself -- in opposition to a party and a president who are further left than any in American history.

A true conservative party would relish such an opportunity.

After all, the Goldwater young did not lie down and die after a defeat far more crushing than the one the party suffered last fall.

Is this Republican Party made of similar stuff?
 
Patrick J. need to go back in time and punch some more DC cops in face....to show the you younger wienies how to do it.

Think Eric Cantor is gonna step up? "Oh please ...oh please don't muss up my hair...you would not hit a Southern Belle in Glasses would you. Oh my lawrd!! I do declare!! Don't ...I say there...don't hurt me. I'm only listen'n."


Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Wanted: A Fighting Party
by Patrick J. Buchanan

05/12/2009


As was evident at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, it is deja vu, 1961, all over again. We have a young, cool, witty, personable president -- and an adoring press corps.

"I am Barack Obama," the president introduced himself. "Most of you covered me. All of you voted for me. (Laughter and applause.) Apologies to the Fox table. (Laughter.)"

What is also evident is that, without its new superstar in the lineup, the Democratic Party is a second-division ball club. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are not terribly formidable. Last fall, the Congress they ran had an approval rating below Vice President Cheney.

Why then is the Republican Party agonizing publicly over what it is supposed to do? If history is any guide, the pendulum will swing back in 2010.

After all, in 1952, Eisenhower was elected in a more impressive victory than Obama's, and ended the Korean War by June. And, in 1954, he lost both houses of Congress.

Lyndon Johnson crushed Goldwater by three times the margin of Obama's victory. He got Medicare, Medicaid, voting rights, and a host of Great Society programs. And, in 1966, he lost 47 House seats.

Ronald Reagan won a 44-state landslide in 1980, cut tax rates -- and proceeded to lose 26 sets in 1982.

Bill Clinton recaptured the presidency for his party in 1992 after 12 years of Republican rule. In 1994, he lost 52 seats and both houses of Congress.

Though, demographically, the nation is tilting toward the Party of Government, the GOP must remain the party of free enterprise, and should follow the counsel of Australia's Robert Menzies, long ago:

"(T)he duty of an opposition ... is to oppose selectively. No government is always wrong on everything. . The opposition must choose the ground on which it is to attack. To attack indiscriminately is to risk public opinion, which has a reserve of fairness not always understood."

Rather than debating what the national party position should be on foreign policy, health care, education, or social issues -- which the party will decide when it chooses a nominee in 2012 -- the GOP should focus now, and unite now, on what it will stand against.

Here the party has a good start. With the exception of Specter the Defector and the ladies from Maine, it united against the $800 billion stimulus bill. And as it is impossible to shovel out an added 6 percent of GDP in two years, without vast waste, fraud and abuse, this stimulus package is going to come back and bite Obama by 2010.

And, recall, in his address to Congress, Obama assigned Joe Biden to see to it there was no waste, fraud or abuse in spending the $800 billion: "And that's why I've asked Vice President Biden to lead a tough, unprecedented oversight effort -- because nobody messes with Joe."

Joe has been set up to take the fall.

The next place to take a stand is against "cap and trade."

More and more Americans are coming to conclude, after the record cold temperatures in many cities this winter, that global warning is a crock -- that there is no conclusive proof it is happening, no conclusive proof man is the cause, no conclusive proof it would be a calamity for us or the polar bears.

But cap and trade would mean a huge hike in the cost of energy for all Americans, the shutdown of fuel-efficient U.S. factories, and their replacement by dirtier and less fuel-efficient Chinese plants.

And we do know the agenda here is a vast transfer of wealth and power from U.S. citizens to government bureaucrats, and from the U.S. Government to global bureaucrats who will run the oversight and enforcement machinery set up by the Kyoto II conclave in Copenhagen.

A third issue on which Republicans ought to stand and fight is health care. For the end goal of Obamacare is the same end goal as Hillarycare: nationalization, bureaucrats deciding what care each of us shall receive, when we may receive it, and whether we even ought to have it.

If the Republican Party remains the party of the individual and the private sector, does it have any choice but to fight?

For if cap-and-trade passes, and Obamacare becomes law, the government share of GDP rises to European socialist levels, and, as we saw after the Great Society, there is no going back.

A party defines itself by what it stands for, and what it stands against. After the Bush era, the Republican Party has been given the opportunity to redeem and redefine itself -- in opposition to a party and a president who are further left than any in American history.

A true conservative party would relish such an opportunity.

After all, the Goldwater young did not lie down and die after a defeat far more crushing than the one the party suffered last fall.

Is this Republican Party made of similar stuff?
 
I'm not disagreeing with your take on demographics. Just your figures. I said 75% of "cops and firemen."

The Latin vote is in play. Miami has three Cuban-Republican Congressmen. All were considered vulnerable-all 3 won. Meanwhile in my district 1st term Democrat Ron Klein only got 55% against a black Republican who ran a nothing more than suicide campaign like mine. In a non-Obama year he might have won. And few places have changing for the worse demographics like South Florida.

Latinos are being hurt by the recessionworse than anyone. Because they have little history to guide them-and are yet to be dependent on the government jobs dole- they're far quicker to sway from the Dem's than blacks. They're the types to say "Bush sucked but at least when he was President I was working."

The same with Asians. As a Korean told me last year, "Asians want to fit in. They vote for who ever they think will win."

So while I generally agree that a blacker, browner, yellower America is bad for Republicans I know how quickly the wind shifts. If someone had said a few years ago that the Tories were going to beat Labour in a landslide, what kind of odds would you've given him?



Quote from seneca_roman:

YOur post seems to be fuller of shit too; the Republicans got trounced no matter the excuses you claim. And they are compounding it by making Rush the face of the party and letting Cheney whine about how great torture is.

The exit polls suport what I've said, that the GOP gets its main support from grumpy old men; in Cook county the only demographic to favor McCain was white guys over 45. Young voters favored Obama by about 70%. So where is the shit I'm supposed to be full of?

Also, where do you get your data for 75% of city workers vote Republican; if I recall, Cook county went Obama by over 2:1.

Demographics are one of the most powerfull forces on earth and they are now aligned against the GOP.

Obama's support even in the face of all the bad economic news seems to be growing not shrinking which I think is what your post implies.

Seneca
 
What a kick ass post!
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

In my mind voting for a candidate based on his race is the very definition of racism. Liberals are very quick to throw the label around when a minority doesn't attract white votes. For some reason, they can't see the converse.

This election was all about race. If Obama were white, he would be about as important as the guy closest to him on the issues, Dennis Kuchinich. He would have trailed a douchebag like John Edwards. Edwards is far better looking and has better hair, crucial factors in democrat primaries.

The opportunity to vote for a minority who isn't obviously crazy, corrupt, has a criminal record or is a thug (ie,Jesse Jackson) is one of those once in a lifetime windfalls for white liberals that they just cannot pass up. That explains much of the media orgasm over him. Sadly, young people have become increasingly ignorant in our country, and many of them vote on the basis of celebrity, which of course Obama had courtesy of Opra and the media and his own skillful positioning.

These factors may or may not endure into the next election. In truth, Obama faces challenges greater than almost any president of recent memory. His chances of success are very limited, with the caveat that the media sets the tone and will give him A++ no matter what he achieves.

The demographic factor definitely cuts against the GOP, largely due to the vast increase in hispanics, legal and illegal. Perhaps Bush's greatest failure was his refusal to secure the border and clamp down on illegals. It hurt the GOP last election and will continue to hurt them. Obama and the democrats will amnesty and grant citizenship to tens of millions of uneducated, poor hispanics and indoctrinate them to vote for the same policies that wrecked the countries they came from.

The "solution" to the republicans' challenges as presented in the mainstream media always seems to boil down to "be more like democrats." Left unsaid is why voters would prefer fake democrats over the real item, or why republicans won the presidency consistently when they ran conservatives but lost when they ran guys the media liked like McCain. Also left unsaid is what is the point of a political party anyway? Clearly for voters, it is not to ensure cushy jobs for party elites. Rather, it is to see the issues and positions you favor be pushed and to protect you against erosion of your rights. If the republicans aren't willing to do that, we need to find someone who will.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

This election was all about race.

LMAO!!! :D

Yeah, this way your beloved George W. Bush is "excused" for the worst 8 years by a President in the modern era.

Another "douche-bag" post by the resident ET clown.

Shocker.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

If the republicans aren't willing to do that, we need to find someone who will.

Enter Gary Sinise, CSI. :D

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Cheney keeps saying the Administration has memos showing devastation avoided by using torture. He needs to just say what they contain... or be quiet and go away.

Cheney as leader of the neo cons ruined the party. Its no surprise he is going after Powell. Rummy and Cheney battled and took Powell out. Powell was the only one who could have help the chimp not go into Iraq. Once they got rid of Powell, they had the king's court all to themselves. And what a job they did. Now we got a bunch of commies runnin the place and Cheney needs to stfu, he is a root cause. Powell could have helped to avoid this disaster. There is nothing left to stop this massive government, there isn't even enough left to debate the issue. Please die Cheney, you bitter failure.
 
Quote from Illum:

Cheney keeps saying the Administration has memos showing devastation avoided by using torture. He needs to just say what they contain... or be quiet and go away.

Cheney as leader of the neo cons ruined the party. Its no surprise he is going after Powell. Rummy and Cheney battled and took Powell out. Powell was the only one who could have help the chimp not go into Iraq. Once they got rid of Powell, they had the king's court all to themselves. And what a job they did. Now we got a bunch of commies runnin the place and Cheney needs to stfu, he is a root cause. Powell could have helped to avoid this disaster. There is nothing left to stop this massive government, there isn't even enough left to debate the issue. Please die Cheney, you bitter failure.

Did you miss the part where your hero Powell went to the UN to justify the Iraq invasion? So much for helping Bush not go into Iraq. Powell is a typical Washington opportunist, not some great hero or wise man.

As for the memos, they are classified. He's said they substantiate that the coercive questioning enabled them to foil plots and save potentially thousands of lives. of course, that doesn't fit the Obama/NY Times narrative so they will never see the light of day. The same media that thought nothing of undermining Bush's war on terror by disclosing the existence of terrorist surveiilance programs and secret prisons has little apparent interest in seeing these memos.
 
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