Chavez: statesman or south american POS?

maxpi · Sep 21, 2006

Quote from Cesko:

While I certainly don't approve of Chavez's rhetoric or methods, I respect and admire his zeal and integrity.

One more thing,these kinds of people can be, potentionally, most dangerous idiots.
Hitler was zealous and he definitely had integrity.
http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/aslowfuse.htm

Pabst, turning left???

Integrity!! The guy is a Marxist thief. He has nationalized the most beautiful farms in his entire country. I am sure he and his cronies are living in absolute splendor in some of the most beautiful spots on earth and claiming it is for the good of the people, who are in abject poverty and will be during the commies whole tenure.

AAAintheBeltway · Sep 21, 2006

Quote from maxpi:

Integrity!! The guy is a Marxist thief. He has nationalized the most beautiful farms in his entire country. I am sure he and his cronies are living in absolute splendor in some of the most beautiful spots on earth and claiming it is for the good of the people, who are in abject poverty and will be during the commies whole tenure.

Right. If he was just ruining his own country, it wouldn't be so bad, but he is giving sanctuary to marxist rebels in colombia and trying to export marxist terror to other countries. It was a huge mistake to let him back into office after the coup. Isn't that why we have a CIA?

Pabst · Sep 21, 2006

Quote from Cesko:

Pabst, turning left???

Well, I am Jesuit trained......

so I have a soft spot for populist revolutionaries, just not in America.

But no Cesko, I'm a free market guy who realizes that the rules in SA are a bit different. The notion of land ownership benefiting the few while the masses starve is anti-justice. Not to mention in a Roman Catholic nation, anti-Christ. Particularly when many of the "capitalists" are merely the descendants of robber-barons who murdered and bribed their way to riches. At what point does one say enough is enough? Or does the elected leader of an impoverished nation continue to do what's been expected, i.e. accept the bags of money from Internationalists and sell out his own citizens?

The old paradigm must shift in SA and Africa much the same way it increasingly is in Asia. The world can't be constructed upon the principle "finders keepers, losers weepers."

We've already seen the danger this thinking provided in Africa. With colonies dead after depleting these nations, we now have a continent killing each other millions of times over in the name of Allah.

ratboy88 · Sep 21, 2006

Quote from Jayford:

HA HA HA.

Her own party is bribing her NOT to run cause they know she can win the nomination, but no way in hell the election.

They have offered the Senate leadership in case you haven't heard.

There is nothing the repubs would like more than to see Hillary run. Easy pickings.

Personally, I think it would be great entertainment watching Hill and the repubs bashing the hell out of each other (I don't like either party).

if the media wants hillary, they will get hillary... it matters not what "the people" think or want.

ratboy88 · Sep 21, 2006

Quote from hapaboy:

If I have mistakenly subscribed you as being left of center I apologize. Given your embrace and of the WTC conspiracy theories, I characterized you as a moonbat, which refers to loonies from the left.

If you are in fact not a moonbat, I apologize.

If you are in fact right of center, or center, or points in-between, I shall adjust my terminology.

i am an independent conservative patriot. i despised bill clinton and i am sure i will surpass that "affection" for hillary if they force her on us. call me what you like... moonbat is not correct though. i have never been a liberal as far as the modern connotation denotes. my views most closely mirror Ron Paul's of texas and i find him to be the most tolerable congressmen currently serving.

as stated in previous post, i made the huge mistake of casting my vote for bush in the 2000 election, something i am deeply ashamed of. i have no doubt the govt's explanation for 9/11 is a pack of lies. i am amazed that semi-intelligent people can not see this, i believe their egos won't allow it.

hapaboy · Sep 21, 2006

Quote from ratboy88:

i am an independent conservative patriot. i despised bill clinton and i am sure i will surpass that "affection" for hillary if they force her on us. call me what you like... moonbat is not correct though. i have never been a liberal as far as the modern connotation denotes. my views most closely mirror Ron Paul's of texas and i find him to be the most tolerable congressmen currently serving.

as stated in previous post, i made the huge mistake of casting my vote for bush in the 2000 election, something i am deeply ashamed of. i have no doubt the govt's explanation for 9/11 is a pack of lies. i am amazed that semi-intelligent people can not see this, i believe their egos won't allow it.

If your views are not leftist, then you're right, "moonbat" is not the appropriate term.

Being honest, though, given your stance on 9/11, you're still a loonie in my book, as I am undoubtedly in yours.

But thanks for the clarification of your political leanings.

ratboy88 · Sep 21, 2006

Quote from hapaboy:

If your views are not leftist, then you're right, "moonbat" is not the appropriate term.

Being honest, though, given your stance on 9/11, you're still a loonie in my book, as I am undoubtedly in yours.

But thanks for the clarification of your political leanings.

actually we refer to your type as poodles.

Pabst · Sep 21, 2006

Quote from ratboy88:

actually we refer to your type as poodles.

"We"? OMG, there's more of you guy's running around?

Actually Ron Paul is the coolest guy in the House......

hapaboy · Sep 21, 2006

Quote from ratboy88:

actually we refer to your type as poodles.

You have illustrated you know very little about my type. Please expound on exactly who or what my type is, since I extended the same courtesy to you.

drsteph · Sep 21, 2006

Quote from Pabst:

Well, I am Jesuit trained...... so I have a soft spot for populist revolutionaries, just not in America.

But no Cesko, I'm a free market guy who realizes that the rules in SA are a bit different. The notion of land ownership benefiting the few while the masses starve is anti-justice. Not to mention in a Roman Catholic nation, anti-Christ. Particularly when many of the "capitalists" are merely the descendants of robber-barons who murdered and bribed their way to riches. At what point does one say enough is enough? Or does the elected leader of an impoverished nation continue to do what's been expected, i.e. accept the bags of money from Internationalists and sell out his own citizens?

The old paradigm must shift in SA and Africa much the same way it increasingly is in Asia. The world can't be constructed upon the principle "finders keepers, losers weepers."

We've already seen the danger this thinking provided in Africa. With colonies dead after depleting these nations, we now have a continent killing each other millions of times over in the name of Allah.

Yes, but think of the real estate opportunities after they are done with each other!

On that note, the recent Peruvian elections were interesting - the pro-american pro-business candidate lost (who was a woman) and the decision was between a politician who nearly bankrupted the country (Alan Garcia) vs. a Chavez-style populist (Humala). The populist lost, and the candidate who messed up bad first time around (Garcia) came into power as a compromise choice. It seems that he is determined not to make the mistakes of the first time around, and has loaded up on some very heavy pro-business pro-free trade advisors, which is a bit of a surprise. However, the legacy of his predecessor is an expected 6% YOY growth (fueled by commodities,true, but still good) in GDP. Not sure how to play that market best, but it is worth a slight peripheral glance.

SA would of course differ, but I haven't heard him chime in yet (although I think he would agree with Chavez that Bush is satan incarnate.)