Charting π (PI)

[volpunter]

Sure, then go ahead and point to a SINGLE source that proves that NN are successfully employed in financial trading. There are countless strategy ideas and approaches in no-NN public domain that work one way or the other and with specific assumptions, so surely there must be information available in public domain where a researcher, academician, or practitioner published NN approaches to financial trading that work. There are none, not one single paper, to my knowledge that proves that "training" a strategy algorithm produces sustainable risk-adjusted positive returns after application of costs of execution that warrant an adoption of such process. Not a single one. Please disprove me or anyone whom you seem to so much disagree with.

I concur with you that NN have their applications and usefulness in many areas...just not in financial trading.

Weights? Can you be very specific which weights you are talking about?

I consider myself to be a pretty good trader, I've paid my dues, and I happened to learn the correct information from the very beginning.

I think it's amazing how Academics, and 'People on the Internet', can say categorically that something doesn't work. There is a logical fallacy named Appeal to Ignorance: Just because you've never seen something in action, does not mean that it does not act.

The things we're doing with NNs these days are incredible. From predicting the weather to election results, data manipulation has become king. The markets are a difficult breed, since they actively resist being twisted by mathematics.

However, when training our network, weights are everything.
Going back to how I learnt to trade, I had good information from the beginning. This weighted my decision making process.

If someone cannot make a NN work for the market, then they are using the wrong weights.

 

[Tavurth]

Sure, then go ahead and point to a SINGLE source that proves that NN are successfully employed in financial trading

"Can you point to a SINGLE source that proves there are jam donuts orbiting Jupiter?" This is the essence of the Ignorance Fallacy.

Weights? Can you be very specific which weights you are talking about?

Now you're asking for a free lunch.

 

[volpunter]

just what I thought. You are a troll, at least keep your BS to yourself and stop to confuse and lure unassuming beginners.

PI, lol, at least you duped numerous other lemmings on this thread which is in a way hilarious.

"Can you point to a SINGLE source that proves there are jam donuts orbiting Jupiter?" This is the essence of the Ignorance Fallacy.



Now you're asking for a free lunch.

 

[Tavurth]

just what I thought. You are a troll, at least keep your BS to yourself and stop to confuse and lure unassuming beginners.

PI, lol, at least you duped numerous other lemmings on this thread which is in a way hilarious.

Interesting as always. I thought people might find looking at some irrational charts inspiring. My aim is to provide value.

In this file we see 1000 of your posts. I'm sure value can be found in there, but i'd bet there's a good deal more loitering under a bridge.

 

[volpunter]

well, as you are well aware, even your weird text file is "somewhere" encoded in one particular PI digit sequence. Lol, chuckle, yes, you do add value my friend, not.



Another idiot on ignore. The programming sub-section on this site is getting cleaner by each day.

Interesting as always. I thought people might find looking at some irrational charts inspiring. My aim is to provide value.

In this file we see 1000 of your posts. I'm sure value can be found in there, but i'd bet there's a good deal more loitering under a bridge.

 

[Tavurth]

Looking back on the posting of volpunter and I, we can see how just a small amount of data can be used to create a desired effect.

Data and data analysis is the number one utility in the toolbox of todays traders.

A hybrid, human/machine approach is like using binoculars to observe a distant object.
The markets are chaotic, and yet with the application of a mechanised microscope, they become more orderly, and predictable.

 

[aqtrader]

Chart A:
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Chart B:
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Either Charts A or Charts B are PI. Can you tell which are which?

It does not matter. PI is irrational and infinite sequence of digits. Up to which sub-sequence embedded in pi you use, theoretically you can get any chart you like. Like https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse, everything exists in pi, big bubble, big crash, every chart of stocks that ever existed, and everything you can think of.

 

[athlonmank8]

Except neural networks is simply not the way to riches. The identical same fallacy some retail dreamers commit deals with the rather rosy term "machine learning".

Think for one second about the whole concept: we are talking about the possibly most competitive career and field there is on this planet. A field hundreds of millions embark on. We are talking about a field that employs some of the smartest walking human beings. And we talk about a field where there are individuals and institutions with sheer unlimited amount of resources. Yet a little wannabe self-declared wiz kid comes along , turns on his quad core cpu powered computer , kicks into gear a bit of python code and maybe throws in a dose of matlab and hey, out comes the magic parameterization for the holy grail MA crossover or whatever other ridiculous trading algorithm. Of course none of the other 100 million guys who are smarter than him figured it out before. Nor did any of the high frequency trading houses or Goldman Sachs or other institutions with sheer unlimited financial resources. Are you seriously telling us that this is a viable scenario?

I rather believe and am a living example that years of screen time and risk taking/management experience in the market allows one to discover a small edge here and there and if one has a strong enough determination one might be able to exploit such edge for limited amount of time before everyone else discovers it. But certainly do I not believe some arrogant and snotty python prick walks along and beats them all. The odds of such happening alone are infinitismally small.
But it makes for a great bed time story to fan the hopes of losers who are too lazy to put in the work required to discover and use the rare edges in this field. Of course I am sure some will claim "what does not work for you does not mean it's impossible " . If someone does not want to use at the very least their common sense that some on this threat put up blatant lies then that is of course their choice.

Are you saying that there are zero traders on here making money daytrading the market? You sound like you've got a chip on your shoulder

 

[volpunter]

Did you ever read any of my posts carefully. If not then you can simply ignore my posts. No I don't have any chip on my shoulder. I simply stated that there is no reported case in existence of someone who managed to employ a neural network to developing and running profitable trading strategies in production. Not one. There are uncountable public occurrences and proof of working and profitable implementations of trading strategies perusing other technology. That is not proof enough? It's called empirical evidence. Unless someone is naive he or she should believe in summary statistics and put faith in numbers. The dumb and outright retarded claim that "if something does not work for me it does not mean it works for nobody else" is simply bizarre and usually comes from naive people who pretend to know stuff they don't. I may come across as an assholes and maybe I am. But I posted uncountable content that gave away code and implementation details of technology that assists in creating and running a fully systematized trading architecture.

I simply do not respect those who have never added valuable content on the technology side and suddenly come out of the closet with unrelated PI content and claim they have done what nobody else in the professional HFT and quant trading space ever achieved. It is simply ludicrous.

Are you saying that there are zero traders on here making money daytrading the market? You sound like you've got a chip on your shoulder

 

[SunTrader]

Neither PI or R = Grail

Now square hmmmm