Charles Krauthammer: Fiscal Cliff Compromise 'A Complete Rout By The Democrats'

Quote from Ricter:



"But maybe the killer is this: since when do the kinds of people who worry all the time about deficits believe that the Fed can monetize a substantial part of a large deficit, for four whole years, without any negative consequences? If you believed in the framework these people have, all that expansion of the monetary base should have produced runaway inflation by now, as many of them did in fact predict early in the game. It hasn’t — and no, don’t give me the bit about the government hiding the true rate of inflation. Independent estimates are not significantly different from the official gauges.


Independent estimates are considerably different than what the government puts up, just not the estimates Krugman wants to listen to. Additionally, inflation cannot take hold until deleveraging first is allowed to occur, as I have mentioned in numerous posts.

Quote from Ricter:


"Now, back in late 2008, contemplating the situation we were in, those of us who saw it in terms of basic IS-LM macro made a twofold prediction: as long as the economy stayed depressed, interest rates and inflation would both stay subdued despite both large deficits and a huge expansion of the Fed’s balance sheet. There was much scorn for that prediction at the time; how do you think it has looked since?


Yes, because no one anticipated the Federal Reserve being insane enough to corner the Treasury Market with so much freshly printed dollars, keeping rates down.



Quote from Ricter:



"My broader point, however, involves Murphy’s main argument, which is “Well, some Keynesians got their unemployment predictions wrong, so there.”

"What’s wrong with this line of attack? Two things, actually.

"First, it’s really important to distinguish between fundamental predictions of a model and predictions that an economist happens to make that don’t really come from the model. The prediction that huge increases in the monetary base will cause large increases in the price level, and that big government deficits will cause big increases in interest rates, are more or less inescapable if your model of the economy is one in which recessions are supply-side problems, not the result of inadequate demand. Conversely, the prediction that neither of these things will happen if the economy is in a liquidity trap is a fundamental prediction of Keynesian models. On the other hand, the unfortunate Romer-Bernstein prediction of a fairly rapid bounceback from recession reflected judgements about future private spending that had nothing much to do with Keynesian fundamentals, and therefore sheds no light on whether those fundamentals are correct.

"In short, some predictions matter more than others.

"Beyond that is the question of how you react if your prediction goes badly wrong.

"The fact is that while Keynesians predicting a fast recovery weren’t really relying on their models, the failure of that fast recovery has nonetheless prompted quite a lot of soul-searching and rethinking. It is now standard, in a way that it wasn’t before, to argue that recessions that follow financial crises have a very different time path of recovery from other recessions, and that debt overhang, in particular, poses special problems.

"So Keynesian thinking has evolved in important ways; we’ve learned from our mistakes (where by “our”, as it happens, I don’t exactly mean “my” — I expected a slow recovery all along; but the actual event has nonetheless led me to substantial rethinking). The fundamental concepts of demand-side slumps and the importance of the zero lower bound remain, but there’s a lot of further refinement that changes the way we think.

"Has there been anything comparable on the Austrian/Austerian side? Not that I can see. All I see are excuses — hey, we would have had inflation except for the Europeans, or something. And to return to Brad’s point, there doesn’t even seem to be any consideration of the implications for policy if in fact things like a debt crisis on the other side of the Atlantic can suddenly triple the apparent demand for high-powered money.

"Being willing to learn matters. Unfortunately, that willingness seems absent from many people who consider themselves economic experts."

All of this is horn tooting and none of it has anything to do with the Federal Reserve buying debt. I don't know this guy Krugman is fighting with, so I can't argue his point. But if he's on the other side of Paul Krugman, most likely he is correct.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

This is because "Operation Twist" was put in place after QE2, and was leaked to the market in July 2011 (and therefore frontrun as the market rushed to buy everything the market knew the Fed would be going after in a month or two). Sure enough, OT began at the end of August, beginning of September.

Ah, so if we follow this "stocks of assets" theory, Krugman can easily explain how oil went to $147 a barrel one month, and just 6 months later collapsed to the price of under $40. Right, did we suddenly find a new planet with oil on it? Asset prices are determined by speculation in a market where money is injected by the trillions into the economy. This is evident by anyone who can pull up a graph of ANY commodity and overlay QE announcements and program integration.

Will answer the rest of your Krugman witchcraft in a few moments. I have a call I have to hop on.
Operation Twist is balance neutral. On net, debt is being exchanged not added.

You're right about speculation having some effect. Professional estimates put it, for oil, at 15% of the total price.
 
Quote from Ricter:

Operation Twist is balance neutral. On net, debt is being exchanged not added.

You're right about speculation having some effect. Professional estimates put it, for oil, at 15% of the total price.

in September 2011, the Fed performed Operation Twist in an attempt to lower long-term interest rates. In this operation, the Fed sold short-term Treasury bonds and bought long-term Treasury bonds, which pressured the long-term bond yields downward.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/operation-twist.asp

Right there, my friend. The objective of OT was to keep interest rates low for longer term issuance.

As for the 15% of the total price being speculation, that's hogwash. It was much, much greater - otherwise we couldn't get swings of $147 to <$40 in a few month period.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

in September 2011, the Fed performed Operation Twist in an attempt to lower long-term interest rates. In this operation, the Fed sold short-term Treasury bonds and bought long-term Treasury bonds, which pressured the long-term bond yields downward.
If the Fed owned most treasuries I could see where you're going, but it doesn't. You are using small factors which are merely consistent with the libertarian "government is always bad the free market is always good" as the crux of your arguments.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:


But if he's on the other side of Paul Krugman, most likely he is correct. [/B]
You need to believe that because the anti-Keynesians have to be wrong, because the Austrians have to be right, because the free market has to be divine, because only Ayn Rand's vision can "save us". Do you really believe libertarian views get no traction because there is a vast conspiracy, secretly uniting left and right, to silence them?
 
Quote from AK Forty Seven:

Obamas plan is working beautifully :)

Okay so now Obama is sticking it to the rich. How does that make you any less of a loser?
 
Quote from Ricter:

If the Fed owned most treasuries I could see where you're going, but it doesn't. You are using small factors which are merely consistent with the libertarian "government is always bad the free market is always good" as the crux of your arguments.

It's not about who owns all the treasuries, but who is buying most of them that affects the price now. I'm not using any libertarian argument at all. I'm using what is going on right now. If you cannot refute my responses with anything factual, then just say so.
 
Quote from Ricter:

You need to believe that because the anti-Keynesians have to be wrong, because the Austrians have to be right, because the free market has to be divine, because only Ayn Rand's vision can "save us". Do you really believe libertarian views get no traction because there is a vast conspiracy, secretly uniting left and right, to silence them?

Not at all. I believe the debt experiment has to run it's course. Your Keynesian theory is really only successful because you define your terms of success so narrowly on the timeline of human modern history. For example, you can look at the last 30 years and go - see? It's worked!

You'd be right, of course, if all you cared about was the last 30 years. In the next 30 years, it is my belief that you, and other Keynesians, will see what a failure it was (if you choose to admit it, of course).

Federal Reserve insanity, which we've really only seen at these levels for the past 4 years or so, cannot be called a "success" after 4 years. Hell, it can't even be considered a success inside the 4 year period! The very idea that a group of people who are non-elected and academic can somehow determine what level of money printing the economy needs to continue along it's merry path, despite being spectacularly wrong about past crashes and recessions and forecasting, is pure lunacy.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

Not at all. I believe the debt experiment has to run it's course. Your Keynesian theory is really only successful because you define your terms of success so narrowly on the timeline of human modern history. For example, you can look at the last 30 years and go - see? It's worked!

You'd be right, of course, if all you cared about was the last 30 years. In the next 30 years, it is my belief that you, and other Keynesians, will see what a failure it was (if you choose to admit it, of course).

Federal Reserve insanity, which we've really only seen at these levels for the past 4 years or so, cannot be called a "success" after 4 years. Hell, it can't even be considered a success inside the 4 year period! The very idea that a group of people who are non-elected and academic can somehow determine what level of money printing the economy needs to continue along it's merry path, despite being spectacularly wrong about past crashes and recessions and forecasting, is pure lunacy.

and somehow we are to expect these clueless people to know when to remove the excess liquidity?
 
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