Change? Name ONE thing Obama has done for social Liberalism

Mercor · Sep 18, 2009

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Mercor, when a country become so wealthy, I think they should provide health care. How can a country stay wealthy and rich if they not take care of health and education? I am not republican, democrat, libertarian. If anyone put themself in a politic party, then they have to stay in the party rule. Like a religion.

To be a Libertarian seems scary. Seems like there is no safety net. The current safety net is very expensive and it is used to much that it skews individual incentives.
Libertarians believe if resources are kept in the hands of the people the natural state of survival will keep us whole. People on their own in the private sector will provide the safety net. Right now the Government takes about 25% of the total production. Cut that to 5% and the private sector will have the means to take care of the weakest.
Trust the people, the individual. Free people are good people.

AlpineTrout · Sep 18, 2009

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[BYou say social liberalism. That is when a government helps the people with health care and education, yes?
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No. This is the government forcing you with a gun to redistribute your income. That is LESS freedom in my book.

AlpineTrout · Sep 18, 2009

If Obama wanted to, he could try to relinquish all responsibilty of the poor to pay Federal & Payroll taxes, by starting discussions on implementing the FairTax. Not to mention the fact that it would give all of us a substantial amount of freedom from the taxmasters. Will he do this? Never, because taxes are about control and neither party is willing to lose that.

Anybody think Obama really cares about your healthcare? Fuggetaboutit. This is about power & control over the citizens. Don't be fooled.

trendlover · Sep 18, 2009

Mercor, the private health insurance is about ratio of money they pay, to money they charge. By that nature it change health care from for good health, to for profit. Nothing is wrong with profit, but it creates the conflict of interest sometimes, and the choice becomes for profit over people. This is not a product for sale to play with, it is people.
I understand choice for people to choose health care. If the public option gives a competition to private health care, that would force private health care to compete, make a better price for their service, and win the customer.
If libertarian is about freedom to choose, then why private insurance does not pay for alternative medicine, but go with a mainstream medicine? Randomized control trial is like a average of the best outcome from a (group). So that is what is approved for medicine from that trial. That is not a choice as individual, but what works best as a whole.(safe)

Scataphagos · Sep 18, 2009

Quote from AlpineTrout:

"... Anybody think Obama really cares about your healthcare? Fuggetaboutit. This is about power & control over the citizens. Don't be fooled.

Correctamundo! Obama is a pathological narcissist. He doesn't care about anything except being "the big cheese"... likely promoted into this position by "the man behind the curtain"... and naive American voters have no clue. :mad:

bugscoe · Sep 18, 2009

Quote from trendlover:

I understand choice for people to choose health care. If the public option gives a competition to private health care, that would force private health care to compete, make a better price for their service, and win the customer.

It would FORCE competition out of the market and leave many with no choice!

AlpineTrout · Sep 18, 2009

Quote from trendlover:

I understand choice for people to choose health care. If the public option gives a competition to private health care, that would force private health care to compete, make a better price for their service, and win the customer.

This is exactly what the Slicksters want you to think. What happens next is the gov't option runs at a loss, long enough to put the private healthcare option out of business, and whadya know...........only the gov't shitty option is left.

And once again less freedom for all of us.

kut2k2 · Sep 18, 2009

Quote from Mercor:

You have it backwards.

http://www.lp.org/platform

As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

Consequently, we defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.

I find it hilarious that you would put up the Libertarian Party as true libertarians.

What you guys are is anarchists. Your Open Border policy, which you took down after 9/11, proves it. There is no such thing as a nation without borders but that's exactly what the LP openly advocated right up to 9/11.

That is anarchy, not libertarianism. No wonder your party goes nowhere election after election.

Dr. Zhivodka · Sep 18, 2009

Ahh...you're using the term Liberal in the classical sense. As in the Jeffersonian Liberal...a definition which I prefer.

Had we all known and acknowledged and used the correct use of the term Liberal this country it would be much different and it would much better off today.

Good post RM

Quote from Rearden Metal:

Libertarians are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. That means that regardless of which ugly head of the Republicrat hydra currently holds power, we should be getting half of what we want, right?

Well, if that is so, just name one single thing Obama has done (or even tried to do) for social liberalism. Just one little way that Obama is working to reduce the heavy hand of government interference in our personal lives.

I'm drawing a complete blank here... how about you?

FeenixRizin · Sep 19, 2009

Quote from Rearden Metal:

Libertarians are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. That means that regardless of which ugly head of the Republicrat hydra currently holds power, we should be getting half of what we want, right?

Well, if that is so, just name one single thing Obama has done (or even tried to do) for social liberalism. Just one little way that Obama is working to reduce the heavy hand of government interference in our personal lives.

I'm drawing a complete blank here... how about you?

to be a libertarian is to recognize that we are all directly a product of our own choices ..

you're expecting liberals to champion ths ideal?

come on, man,......