Catholics. wtf is wrong with you people?

Quote from Free Thinker:

hell yes. why didnt i think of that.all i have to do is accept that there was once a (1) talking snake and i too will get a mansion in the sky(2).


Well if that's the extent of your religious training then :D :D
1) Ever heard of allegory
2) Where were you promised a mansion in the sky?
Evidently that day I was playing hooky in the monastery.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

not quite. i think prayer is nothing more than superstition.

I have no doubt that is true from your limited knowledge and experience.

Not to mention your animosity.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

hell yes. why didnt i think of that.all i have to do is accept that there was once a talking snake and i too will get a mansion in the sky.

The notion that faith in Christ is to be rewarded by an eternity of bliss, while a dependence upon reason, observation and experience merits everlasting pain, is too absurd for refutation, and can be relieved only by that unhappy mixture of insanity and ignorance, called "faith."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll

As a former atheist, I hear you. I have read all of this, and more. I will give u a clue tho, considering I have been in the hell that you are now trying to navigate.

The bible is a man made document. Expand. Read the Koran, the Tibet and Egyptian books of the dead, Hammurabi, then go back to the bible. Meditate, pray. Study the Hopi medicine wheel, the Yoruba, and Santeria. Look at the Talmud, then go back again to the bible. Study, pray, and meditate. It will come to you FT. It will come.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

not quite. i think prayer is nothing more than superstition. aside from the fact science has proven that prayer never works it doesnt take much of a deep thinker to understand that answered prayer is impossible. example: a farmer prays for rain and a sports player prays for no rain. whats a god to do?
another example.i watch nascar races. they are bad for this one. driver wins a race gets out and says thank god for my win, prayer works. of course there were 43 cars in the race. if they all prayed for a win 42 prayers failed. this simple bit of logic seems to escape them.

I gave you this answer already. James 4:3
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

As a former atheist, I hear you. I have read all of this, and more. I will give u a clue tho, considering I have been in the hell that you are now trying to navigate.

The bible is a man made document. Expand. Read the Koran, the Tibet and Egyptian books of the dead, Hammurabi, then go back to the bible. Meditate, pray. Study the Hopi medicine wheel, the Yoruba, and Santeria. Look at the Talmud, then go back again to the bible. Study, pray, and meditate. It will come to you FT. It will come.

Bullshit it only comes to those who are truly searching for wisdom.
 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Vehn...you are still so much in the grip of your Catholicism you can't even see it, can you?

How much of your mental energy is toward God?

My guess is a lot.

If you were really over God, you wouldn't need to focus so much on your non belief, or the positive belief of others on God.

It is common to see a woman who once loved a man deeply, feel extreme hatred toward the exact same man when she is disillusioned by that man.

So you are disillusioned...why not just accept it and move on?

Do you really think that your resentments against God and theists is doing them any harm at all?

You judge your own concept of God by man's standards...does that even make sense to you? You are judging what you believe is an imagination through the imagination of your own mind? Can you see any logic at all in that?

If you were really convinced that God did not exist, you wouldn't give it a second thought...the same way that once someone is over their ex wife, or ex husband, they feel nothing at all. No love, no hatred, nothing at all...they see their ex with someone else...no feeling at all, no attachment at all...they are done.

You aren't done with God by any measure...

777 nice post, keep at it. This man is logical. Don't let up!
 
Quote from LORD KAL-EL:

Bullshit it only comes to those who are truly searching for wisdom.

He is looking, if he were not he would not be starting all these threads. Don't quit on him. That is why i told him to look at all those texts, then go back and look again. I want him to try and crush God. It will be his salvation in the end.
 
Why are people so concerned about what other people's personal beliefs are? Why do people feel entitled to indict and cross examine the beliefs of others? Why do they feel it is any of their concern? Outside of people with imperial belief systems which seek to impose their beliefs and standards upon society at large and, such as Islam, people's personal beliefs are their own business. Islam is not only a religious belief system, but a political one. In fact, this sweeping indictment of religion and any form of theism, very much resembles Islam in that way, insofar as it's partially of a political nature... Both seek to dictate the beliefs of others... There are plenty of Atheists who are confident in their beliefs and do not engage in these zealous indictments of the personal beliefs of others.
 
Quote from phenomena:

Why are people so concerned about what other people's personal beliefs are? Why do people feel entitled to indict and cross examine the beliefs of others? Why do they feel it is any of their concern? Outside of people with imperial belief systems which seek to impose their beliefs and standards upon society at large and, such as Islam, people's personal beliefs are their own business. Islam is not only a religious belief system, but a political one. In fact, this sweeping indictment of religion and any form of theism, very much resembles Islam in that way, insofar as it's partially of a political nature... Both seek to dictate the beliefs of others...

Agree, the superficial will try to control others, this is futile.

Religion has a nice definition. If they stay true to it, they will chill out.

It matters not how one comes to know the eternal. If they are fortunate enuf to find it, they will cease to have fear, worry, or regret.
 
Oh, I think he is logical. I also think his underlying premise is emotionally damaged.

I remember a man telling me once that women are the most rational creatures on earth, the only difference is that they argue from their emotions to reasons for their emotions, and not the reverse.



Quote from RCG Trader:

777 nice post, keep at it. This man is logical. Don't let up!
 
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