catholic priests rape nuns too.

Quote from PatternRec:

Imagine you are correct about his motives. And you quite possibly are.

Is it a lie? Is he posting disinformation? Granted, the interwebs are full of all sorts of false information. But is what he posted untrue?

What difference do his motives for posting make if the information is true? Even if he was out to discredit and attack the Catholic Church, if it didn't readily provide such ammunition, what would be the OP's recourse? He'd probably have to delve into conspiracy theories and made up anecdotal stories to discredit and/or expose the Church.

I'm an atheist too.

I was just pointing out that in order to achieve some measure of ideological consistency, FT needs to denounce ALL forms of manipulative/brutal institutional control over the lives of others- not just those that damaged him personally.

Vigorously denouncing antisemitism while supporting and encouraging segregation/Jim Crow laws against blacks would be an equally ridiculous position to take. I'd just like Ft/ Vhehn to realize this as others have before him.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2708670&highlight=drugs#post2708670

Quote from hapaboy:

I used to be firmly in the "drugs are bad, don't legalize them" camp. However, after looking at the results and studying the issue in a more objective manner, I now feel that legalization is the better way.

The "war on drugs" is a failure. Even DEA agents admit as much.

What good does it do to imprison somebody who is addicted to drugs and place him or her in an environment with rapists and murderers? Prisons should be for serious offenders, not addicts. I don't like the fact that overcrowding due to imprisoned addicts is leading to the early release of genuinely violent offenders who go out and kill and/or rape more innocents.

Why facilitate a process that leads to so much organized crime and all the associated misery?

Why spend billions of dollars on all of the above?

Why shouldn't someone with chronic pain be able to take drugs to manage that pain?

It is also hypocritical beyond belief that alcohol and tobacco are not currently illegal as well.

Legalize, regulate, and tax. Perhaps it will result in less crime, less overcrowded prisons, and enable those who need help to get it. I don't see the harm in trying something new, especially since the old way is utterly ineffective.

(Discussion of this issue on ET has helped bring me to this new conclusion. Yes, even with all the ad hominem flying around, occasionally one is able to sift through the detritus and learn something here. Thanks especially to RM and others for sharing their experiences and viewpoints.)
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

Just leave people the fuck alone unless they harm another person or their property.

you are jewish,right? would you advocate letting a neighbor of Israel have a nuclear bomb if you knew they were going to either use it or set it off by accident?
most people would look at the possible outcome and take steps ahead of time to ensure their safety.
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

I can't even leave the state (let alone the country) until I get off paper in August. Then I plan to travel to a more civilized country to try ibogaine for the first time. If that fails, and my veins stay thirsty, I'll almost certainly be forced to sell my house and leave the country for good. Otherwise, I'd just put myself on a collision course with disaster at the hands of your prohibition enforcement thugs. Thanks for caring.

As for meth, I actually agree with you. From everything I've seen, nothing good can come from meth or coke addiction. However, nothing good can come from criminalizing these drugs either. Even if meth was legally sold at my local walmart, I wouldn't become addicted to it. Just like you wouldn't bother with heroin, even if you got it for free in the mail. Prohibition doesn't reduce drug use, or drug abuse. 100 years ago it was all legal, yet there were no more addicts then than there are today. Drug crime and drug prostitution were however a miniscule fraction of what they are today.

Trying to 'reform' an addict into voluntarily living clean is much like trying to 'cure' a homosexual. All the whips and chains and jail cells in the world still won't enable you to pull it off. Enslaving people is never the answer. Just leave people the fuck alone unless they harm another person or their property.

+1 for leaving people the fuck alone. There are few problems with government which couldn't be solved by that. Applies to taxes, the draft, drug laws, "equality" nonsense, national ID cards, healthcare, etc. Foreign policy too.

The WP page on Ibogaine sums it up.

"While ibogaine's prohibition in the U.S. has slowed scientific research into its anti-addictive properties, the use of ibogaine for drug treatment has grown in the form of a large worldwide medical subculture. Ibogaine is now used by treatment clinics in 12 countries on six continents to faciltate detoxification and chemical dependence to substances such as methadone, heroin, alcohol, powder cocaine, crack cocaine, and methamphetamine, as well as to facilitate psychological introspection and spiritual exploration."

I'm sorry to hear of your experiences. Probably best to get out of the USA since they are one of the worst on the drug issue, but go where? I'm looking to emigrate also, from another "free country" which is perhaps even worse than the states. People are becoming less intelligent and more easily influenced / manipulated / governed than ever before. Beyond hope. Become successful enough to live in isolation from the rest and be less bothered than average by the silly rules? Is that all there is? Depressing indeed.

All of these "international treaties" and arrangements which are pretexts for policy laundering and other evils....global cooperation amongst governments and sharing of financial information, absurd travel restrictions, big government everywhere, no privacy, appalling levels of taxes....where is left?
 
Look at the drug addict, who wants to remain a drug addict, who thinks he is a drug addict because he concludes he has chemical imbalance...

Classic example of the insanity of drug addicts who refuse to look at their own mind (or better yet have their head examined by a clinical methodology) which would reveal all the symptoms of a mental illness, not a physical illness...

The addicts who think they are smarter than doctors almost certainly die from the ravages of drug addiction...

Can't handle life?

Do a drug...

Can't handle life?

Blame life...

Smarter than others but can't actually handle life on life's terms?

Drug addict...

It is a certainty that a geographical will not change the drug addict's real problem, a dead certainty...
 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Look at the drug addict, who wants to remain a drug addict, who thinks he is a drug addict because he concludes he has chemical imbalance...

Classic example of the insanity of drug addicts who refuse to look at their own mind (or better yet have their head examined by a clinical methodology) which would reveal all the symptoms of a mental illness, not a physical illness...

The addicts who think they are smarter than doctors almost certainly die from the ravages of drug addiction...

Can't handle life?

Do a drug...

Can't handle life?

Blame life...

Smarter than others but can't actually handle life on life's terms?

Drug addict...

It is a certainty that a geographical will not change the drug addict's real problem, a dead certainty...

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.
 
Do you understand the difference between someone who genuinely wants to be rehabilitated versus someone who doesn't seek internal change mentally but just wants to fix?

:(

Quote from trendlover:

Rearden, I do not know how you feel for rehabilitation, but you can call this health service in Canada for low cost if you like.
No drugs for this rehabilitation, so maybe not for you. But you can look. I wish you good health.:)
http://www.choicemedicalservices.com/services/subs_abus.html

I change my link to bring you to the substance abuse page.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

you are jewish,right? would you advocate letting a neighbor of Israel have a nuclear bomb if you knew they were going to either use it or set it off by accident?
most people would look at the possible outcome and take steps ahead of time to ensure their safety.

Should I attempt to build my own A-bomb, society has every right to stop me, by any means necessary.

On the other hand, spending trillions of dollars on drug prohibition is like having government agents raid your kitchen to confiscate all the sharp objects because you <i>might</i> use a knife to stab somebody.... all in the name of 'public safety'.
 
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