Cars Impervious to Wrecks

[Sig]

My 3 year old Volvo has pretty much the same software capabilities as a Tesla. And that's Volvo, doesn't get any more boring than that, right?
I work with another part of Elon's empire and realize that much of what he says and portrays is, shall we say, aspirational. If you take what he says literally, then he's full of shit. If you take it with a huge grain of salt, he's still done some groundbreaking stuff that the haters only dream of. Just don't make the mistake of entirely buying into his hype.

 

[Dazz]

at 36,560 deaths per year - and going up steadily since 1921, apparently the electronics are not helping;

 

[Sig]

at 36,560 deaths per year - and going up steadily since 1921, apparently the electronics are not helping;

Actually the deaths per mile driven have decreased dramatically. That's how statistics work, when you have only 100 cars in the world it's hard to have more than 100 fatal accidents, when you add several million a year the number of absolute fatal accidents can go up even while the rate decreases.

 

[vanzandt]

Hardly wreck proof, you cannot control what other vehicles are doing. Humans can be overloaded with data and it can do more harm than good. An autonomous vehicle is a different story though, especially when in communication with other vehicles.

Bingo. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Cars talking to each other and decisions made based on 10's of thousands of variables analyzed in a millisecond. The only car maker out there that has that kind of data is TSLA. They've been beaming everything back to the mother-ship for years now. Everything. I know the big 3 are trying, but TSLA is light-years ahead.

 

[vanzandt]

so its a buy because you just saw the truck for the first time?

No, read it again, I was saying its old-school.
And I have been jokingly saying Apple should buy Ford for years.
One of these days... https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/could-apple-buy-ford.302744/page-3#post-4330237

 

[Sig]

Bingo. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Cars talking to each other and decisions made based on 10's of thousands of variables analyzed in a millisecond. The only car maker out there that has that kind of data is TSLA. They've been beaming everything back to the mother-ship for years now. Everything. I know the big 3 are trying, but TSLA is light-years ahead.

I think the only thing other automakers might not have yet is an auto equivalent to a TCAS resolution advisory in planes, i.e. the two cars negotiate to decide the best action to avoid a collision and then automatically both take that action. That's orders of magnitude harder to do in a car than an airplane since you've only got the one dimension to maneuver in and you've almost certainly got other fixed and moving obstructions to deal with, many of which will never be able to talk to you (pedestrians, cyclists). Not to mention that many of the other cars out there won't be talking to you either. And there's a whole aspect of that which we haven't even begun to grapple with yet. There will inevitably be situations where there is no answer that avoids a collision, all the system can do is minimize the death count. What if the right answer to that is for your car to kill you in order to save the 5 kids in the mini-van you were going to hit? Are people going to be willing to get into a vehicle that makes those kind of utilitarian decisions for them?

 

[systematictrader]

No, read it again, I was saying its old-school.
And I have been jokingly saying Apple should buy Ford for years.
One of these days... https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/could-apple-buy-ford.302744/page-3#post-4330237

Ford now at 15 billion market cap is chump change for apple

but am sure there is more to it than buying it

 

[systematictrader]

No, read it again, I was saying its old-school.
And I have been jokingly saying Apple should buy Ford for years.
One of these days... https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/could-apple-buy-ford.302744/page-3#post-4330237

Damn vanz 2016? your truly an old timer

 

[vanzandt]

I think the only thing other automakers might not have yet is an auto equivalent to a TCAS resolution advisory in planes, i.e. the two cars negotiate to decide the best action to avoid a collision and then automatically both take that action. That's orders of magnitude harder to do in a car than an airplane since you've only got the one dimension to maneuver in and you've almost certainly got other fixed and moving obstructions to deal with, many of which will never be able to talk to you (pedestrians, cyclists). Not to mention that many of the other cars out there won't be talking to you either. And there's a whole aspect of that which we haven't even begun to grapple with yet. There will inevitably be situations where there is no answer that avoids a collision, all the system can do is minimize the death count. What if the right answer to that is for your car to kill you in order to save the 5 kids in the mini-van you were going to hit? Are people going to be willing to get into a vehicle that makes those kind of utilitarian decisions for them?

https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/tesla-2020.339221/page-6#post-4997058
https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/tesla-2020.339221/page-11#post-5015220

When a complete 5G build-out is in sight, it'll be a mandatory requirement for all new cars, driver-less or not, to be talking to each other... and talking to the network. But it'll go farther than just traffic flows, red-lights, pedestrians, etc.

This will sound so "big-brotherish"... but its the only way it can work. And they are gonna make it "work". Like it or not.

The cars, the network, the AI behind it all... its gonna know the driver. Intimately. It'll know when they're pissed off, it'll know when their late.... it'll basically know their mood at any given time and correlate that mood to their driving behavior as far back as the driving data collected on them commenced. The minute they plant their ass in that seat, basically everything they do will be digitized and fed into an all knowing system. How they drive on wet roads. How they drive at night, how they respect a bicyclist that's too far out in the road. Route patterns. The list goes on, there's a thousand different things and it's the AI's job to learn them all across 1000's of cars and figure things out accordingly. It's scary really.
Oh sure they'll say "its all anonymized" as they pass dozens of new laws... but we all know where that goes.

“You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it.”
-Scott McNealy (1998), CEO Sun Microsystems

 

[d08]

Bingo. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Cars talking to each other and decisions made based on 10's of thousands of variables analyzed in a millisecond. The only car maker out there that has that kind of data is TSLA. They've been beaming everything back to the mother-ship for years now. Everything. I know the big 3 are trying, but TSLA is light-years ahead.

The data does not matter if it's not utilized. That's also hardly TSLA specific, anyone can build this. Their cars seem to be of poor build quality, basic things like panels not matching etc.
And like @Sig said, it's useless if you're only talking to a few percent of total vehicles.