Career as FX technical analyst/chartist

I never claimed that, but the clock ticks and times pass, people move on. Do you know how many MDs at hedge funds and banks were let go (and never re-hired) in NY, LND, HK since 2014? A massive amount. That implies that a lot of the less useful folks, TAs, are definitely not around anymore. Of course can good traders make money still today and tomorrow. Who refuted that? And you are equally throwing around the TA term without having ever defined it. What is TA for you? Care to enlighten me?

So far nobody of your crew has mentioned a single concept that he/she believes is part of TA. I will probably shut up and disappear from this thread the minute I see a clear definition and when it turns out it is not not just backward looking and descriptive.

So basically, it is game over in finance for everyone who don't automate, code or is not an hardcore nerd?
Well, I think there is still lots of room for everyone who develop his skill in fundamentals / price action / TA / behavior . Why ? Because if you understand the game, you don't need a robot to buy when a stock / index lift off or sell when people are too euphoric. You need to open your eyes, analyze and take the right action. That was true 100 years ago, that will be true in 100 years. Sure technology changes, but human nature, not.
So without a Phd in AI or nuclear physics or whatever, good trader here can still make a lot of money in trading.

CM
 
Care to post then an image of how you use TA? You keep on rambling, rambling, rambling and never talk about anything substantial, no details, nothing. Either meaningfully participate or sometimes it is better to stay silent (aka in P&R as STFU).


I know you were not talking to me but here you go.....

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4378648/

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/amzn-long-764-42.305209/

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/long-micron-mu-target-price-22-50.304966/

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4304913/

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4371075/

There are several others out there. Some of those others were losses and some were breakeven. And these are just the ones I chose to publicize.
 
Thank you,

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4378648/
This is more like a filter, and many claimed TA is way more sophisticated than indicators, how is EMA(39) not an indicator? And why would the market care whether price drops above or below EMA(39), SMA(102), WMA(15.5)? Answer: It does not care.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/amzn-long-764-42.305209/
"...its a major support." What support are you talking of there? Supported by what? Yesterday's low? Yesterday's high? The fact that it touched that price level 2 or 3 or 7 times before? What if it touched the price level 2 times before, how do you know it will touch the price level a 3rd time and not cut through it?

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/long-micron-mu-target-price-22-50.304966/
No rational provided, other than a chart with moving averages (how you use them in that trade you dont explain) and a rising channel which basically means nothing else than that price has been rising while volatility dropped. This can be quantitatively and statistically described without a single chart.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4304913/
Same as above only that you now added a MACD. I thought TA is more than indicators? So far all you showed is indicators, descriptive backward looking summary metrics.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4371075/
Those are Bollinger Bands, if you ever tested the bollinger band indicator over, lets say 100 assets you would have found out that it is one of the worst performing indicators out there. Regardless of whether you go long when price its the upper band, or short when it hits the upper band.

With all due respect that you at least offered something to work with, those are all indicators and even most TA fans in this thread ruffled their noses at indicators and laughed out loud claiming that their TA is so much more sophisticated and worthwhile. Most any of the indicators you perused in the above examples are neat as a descriptive measure, but they have zero forecasting power as many academic papers have proven that ran over thousands if not tens of thousands of different indicator combinations with all sorts of parameterizations.

I know you were not talking to me but here you go.....

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4378648/

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/amzn-long-764-42.305209/

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/long-micron-mu-target-price-22-50.304966/

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4304913/

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4371075/

There are several others out there. Some of those others were losses and some were breakeven. And these are just the ones I chose to publicize.
 
Thank you,

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4378648/
This is more like a filter, and many claimed TA is way more sophisticated than indicators, how is EMA(39) not an indicator? And why would the market care whether price drops above or below EMA(39), SMA(102), WMA(15.5)? Answer: It does not care.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/amzn-long-764-42.305209/
"...its a major support." What support are you talking of there? Supported by what? Yesterday's low? Yesterday's high? The fact that it touched that price level 2 or 3 or 7 times before? What if it touched the price level 2 times before, how do you know it will touch the price level a 3rd time and not cut through it?

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/long-micron-mu-target-price-22-50.304966/
No rational provided, other than a chart with moving averages (how you use them in that trade you dont explain) and a rising channel which basically means nothing else than that price has been rising while volatility dropped. This can be quantitatively and statistically described without a single chart.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4304913/
Same as above only that you now added a MACD. I thought TA is more than indicators? So far all you showed is indicators, descriptive backward looking summary metrics.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4371075/
Those are Bollinger Bands, if you ever tested the bollinger band indicator over, lets say 100 assets you would have found out that it is one of the worst performing indicators out there. Regardless of whether you go long when price its the upper band, or short when it hits the upper band.

With all due respect that you at least offered something to work with, those are all indicators and even most TA fans in this thread ruffled their noses at indicators and laughed out loud claiming that their TA is so much more sophisticated and worthwhile. Most any of the indicators you perused in the above examples are neat as a descriptive measure, but they have zero forecasting power as many academic papers have proven that ran over thousands if not tens of thousands of different indicator combinations with all sorts of parameterizations.

Blah, blah, blah.....my account would say otherwise.

Just because you can not build the same beautiful piece of furniture a carpenter can with standard carpentry tools does not mean the tools are useless.
 
Now its your turn, show a purely TA based approach that consistently works.
The old school TA that has stood the test of time for over 100 years.

So far it is impossible to learn from you even though I make every effort...
Yesterday I gave you what you should look into before you make judgement. If you care not to do so, fine. As the ol' saying goes 'You can lead a man to software, but you can't make him click'.
 
We heard the same story over and over, so at least you admitted TA is ALL ABOUT INDICATORS.

Thanks for confirming, I was open to consider alternatives but seems the same snake oil from the 90s is still paddled today. Well, if it works for you, then go for it, I doubt it, but only you know. No need to reply.

Blah, blah, blah.....my account would say otherwise.

Just because you can not build the same beautiful piece of furniture a carpenter can with standard carpentry tools does not mean the tools are useless.
 
you gave us nothing, not yesterday, not today. Only generalized statements that mean nothing. @eganon69 was the only one who provided concrete examples. And I laud him for doing that at least...

The old school TA that has stood the test of time for over 100 years.


Yesterday I gave you what you should look into before you make judgement. If you care not to do so, fine. As the ol' saying goes 'You can lead a man to software, but you can't make him click'.
 
Successful traders can never convince unsuccessful traders that something is possible and working.
The reason is simple: the unsuccessful traders don't have the needed qualifications to become successful. So every attempt the unsuccessful traders make, will comfirm that they are right and things don't work. A loser stays a loser.
They also miss the needed intelligence to understand that other people can achieve things that for them are eternally unachievable.
It is like an idiot who thinks that he is not an idiot. They are too idiot to understand they are idiot. On top of that, what they think is irrelevant. Reality is relevant.
This posting is clearly too difficult for the idiots to understand. Past postings from them confirm this continuously.
And all the others don't need this posting as they already understand things. So basically this posting has no value because, those who it was ment for, are too stupid.
 
hmm, how is this related? Or is your conclusion: TA disciples = successful traders, all else = unsuccessful? Unless you are just posting to agitate I am afraid you are on the wrong path.

Successful traders can never convince unsuccessful traders that something is possible and working.
The reason is simple: the unsuccessful traders don't have the needed qualifications to become successful. So every attempt the unsuccessful traders make, will comfirm that they are right and things don't work. A loser stays a loser.
They also miss the needed intelligence to understand that other people can achieve things that for them are eternally unachievable.
It is like an idiot who thinks that he is not an idiot. They are too idiot to understand they are idiot. On top of that, what they think is irrelevant. Reality is relevant.
 
I know your question was "eventually" answered about job opportunities as a technical analysis/chartist...

Just a heads up, a lot of firms have been downsizing since the financial collapse of 2008-2009. All departments took a hit including the TA folks but something odd has taken place in the industry lately.

I notice a lot of TA folks now have "dual" titles as to implied they've been merged into other departments at many firms but not all.

For example, at Credit Suisse the TA titles still remain but the TA is now under the "Research" department. Thus, there's no longer a "TA Department" and the 4 world locations are now down to 2 main locations for the TA folks (London and New York). There were 8 folks that I remember but now there's only 4 of them. Actually there's 5 but one is not listed...the one not listed is their boss...same guy in charge of the quants.

Heck, something weird about London. I've notice more listings of "technical analysts" in London than other country locations...you willing to locate (sarcasm). :D

Another example is Maxime Viemont of BNP Paribas. Excellent technical analyst that doesn't believe in the indicator stuff that you see commonly discussed/argued at this forum. He's one of the long time TA folks but I notice now his job title has been merged into another department. He's now the technical analyst/quantitative research guy.

His income (wage) is 6 figure without the bonuses.

My point is that they are people that has been around a long time. They saw their departments cut in half via the 2008-2009 financial collapse while other department downsized even more.

Only departments that actually grew were the quants but I now see some of the TA folks merged into those departments in "top level" job positions. That's a very strange thing I notice.

Not sure what to make of that considering it implies people were "re-trained" or went back to college and got a quant degree at night school while working at the same firm as a "technical analyst" but I did come across enough names to make me wonder what's going on. People that spent many years as a "technical analyst" and then they get merged into the quant department in a top level job and now called "technical analysis/quantitative research".

Nothing against quants...great field and algos is a growing area even among the retail folks although we still don't see a lot of talk by retail folks about their algorithm trading although there's a few here at this forum.

That's why I suggested you email or call these people to find out their backgrounds and what they think about the industry future considering they have an existing paid job as a TA/chartist at a well known firm.

By the way, I did a brief search at other firms (actually someone made some calls for me) and there's more people today with the job title of Behavior Finance. That's a 90k - 125k job position.

I mention Behavior Finance because its a growing area in the trading/investing field and university academics. Actually, its something I've been talking about a lot for the past 3 years.

Edited - Check out the link @ http://www.technicalanalyst.co.uk/research/

Just read some of what the TA folks are saying at some of the top financial firms to determine whom you want to contact about information about "job opportunities" in the industry. A lot better than listening to folks that say these positions don't exist at professional firms. I personally know several TA/chartist people in the Fixed Income departments...all have 6 figure income levels plus bonuses.


Thank you so much for your time and info wrbtrader. The info you have given me is probably more than what I've tried searching on the net haha

The company I intend to work for is also listed under 'the technical analyst' and they have won awards for a couple of years. What I hope is that there is some form of career progression and I'm starting see where this may branch out to.

I hope the time at the job will be a fruitful one that adds further value to me on top of taking my CFA.
Behavioral finance seems interesting and I will look further into it.

No matter what, your insight has been more than valuable and thank you very much for it!

Merry Christmas to you!
Cheers!
 
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