Cant break in this business

Quote from ohnotrader:

My business stream was primarily real estate investors and quick turns, where you purchase a distressed piece of property cheap and fix and flip. Mortgage lenders have turned their nose at these types of deals and make it impossible to get financing for these property investors. And also their are 10K mortgage brokers in the Chicagoland area fighting for the same nickle.

...but there always was capital - and still is - for people that repair distressed properties for resale or rental. That type of business will never go away....
 
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My thread title sums up my dilemma...I am 28 years old and have been in the mortgage business for the past 10 years...I am looking for a career change and growing up on the North Shore of Chicago what does everybody want to be "a TRADER". The problem I am having is due to my lack of education it seems nobody wants to even talk to me. I am willing to start at the bottom in order to learn pay is not important right now but knowledge is. I was very successful in the mortgage game but new laws and guidelines have evaporated my business. I need to make a career change now before I get any older. I have been reading through these forums for the past couple of weeks and have received some good direction but to no avail. I am interested in prop, trading floor/room, trading assistant clerk anywhere that will give me contacts and experience. I now the pits will close eventually but maybe that can give me a start. I need a little direction and advice other than DONT DO IT...I want to do it !!!Any help will be greatly appreciated.



Read this book.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/04...1?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance

P.S. Do you have any good info on trading education?
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I have seen people advertising trader mentoring is this the way to go?
 
What year did you graduate?

EDIT: Nevermind, I see that you're a freshman in college.

If I could do it all over again, I think I would major in computer programming and minor in finance or economics. Or vice versa. In the case of the former, you'll always have an alternative skill to fall back on in the event trading doesn't pan out.

Oh, and once a Trevian always a Trevian. You will never, ever be able to escape New Trier grads. They are everywhere. :)
 
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Are you a Trevian?

:D If he is, we won't hold it against him. I assume since he's 10y out of HS he's probably not wearing his varsity jacket anymore. You think?

Friggin' New Trier sycophants [j/k]
 
Doesn't sound like you know the RE market very well. Try screwing with fixer uppers in a recession and see how far you'll get.

Quote from prt_systems:

...but there always was capital - and still is - for people that repair distressed properties for resale or rental. That type of business will never go away....
 
Standard path to becoming a trader is a BSBA from a good university, a MBA from a top 5 school, a SAT min. of 1250, and a competitive spirit that won't quit.

Everybody on wall street uses this for basic education:

http://www.nyif.com/

You find find specific requirements for most trading positions here:

http://jobs.efinancialcareers.com/Trading.htm

If you can't meet the requirements, your best bet is to go for it on your own. Trade part-time and do your own research. Get a notebook, write down every question you can think of and spend your research time developing the answers. Trading books from well known authors are mostly garbage.
 
Quote from acrary:

Standard path to becoming a trader is a BSBA from a good university, a MBA from a top 5 school, a SAT min. of 1250, and a competitive spirit that won't quit.

Everybody on wall street uses this for basic education:

http://www.nyif.com/

You find find specific requirements for most trading positions here:

http://jobs.efinancialcareers.com/Trading.htm

If you can't meet the requirements, your best bet is to go for it on your own. Trade part-time and do your own research. Get a notebook, write down every question you can think of and spend your research time developing the answers. Trading books from well known authors are mostly garbage.

I agree with this. I would also recommend as a 3rd option to newtowkr through freinds and family.

Most guys at hedge funds that I have met are donkeys that got the job simply by knowing someone in the industry. (dad's country club buddy, or his older brother is in the business, etc)

They went to average schools and are of average ambition, but had the contactst to get their foot in the door. Now with the bigger more well known h. funds, this isnt true, but you dont need to be working at a SAC, etc...

I honestly think networking is the single best way to go.
 
ohnotrader -- there are many ways to trade and many ways to get into trading. If you are short of capital, your avenues into the business may be limited to a degree but they do exist.

There are methods of trading that allow you lots of freedom and other ways that require a great deal of personal attention and maintenance. It all depends upon what you want to do. That is part of the beauty of trading because you get to build your own business.

I trade futures and am primarily interested in ag spreads but I am always looking for other trading ops. Someone else may choose to arb stocks or trade Forex for ticks. Still, it is all based on what you want to do.

Some of the longer term methods allow you to have other pursuits where your livelihood is diversified to a point where if you fail at trading, you are not crippled financially.

Take a look at the books and articles that are out there. A lot of it is crap but there are good books and articles that can be found and good mentors that can help you find your way.

Good luck!
 
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