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Similar to the J&J Jassen vaccine -- it is hard to give-away the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Are you saying that the J&J vaccine is similar to the AstraZeneca in that it’s not an mRNA vaccine or are you trying to falsely imply people can’t give away the J&J.

There’s no issues with the J&J.
 
Are you saying that the J&J vaccine is similar to the AstraZeneca in that it’s not an mRNA vaccine or are you trying to falsely imply people can’t give away the J&J.

There’s no issues with the J&J.

There are multiple examples of countries rejecting the J&J vaccine -- the latest country being Zimbabwe. (Post below from the Latest Vaccine News thread where other examples can be found).

Both AstraZeneca and J&J Janseen COVID vaccines are less effective than mRNA vaccines. They both are similar in formula and due to this have an issue with blood clots (although rare) - which is why many countries do not recommend either for people under 60 years of age (examples - Italy, Germany, Spain & Belgium for AstraZeneca or Belgium halts J&J for under 41s)

It should also be noted that the majority of available J&J vaccine doses floating around the face of the earth are from the Emergent BioSolutions plant in Maryland which the U.S. discarded as tainted. Apparently most of the tainted vaccines never made it to the trash can.


It appears that no nation wants to use the J&J Jansen vaccine even when donated for free. Every nation on the face of the earth comes up with an excuse not to use it. Nobody wants to have the tainted doses from the Emergent BioSolutions plant in Maryland pawned off on them despite claims the doses will come from elsewhere.

Zimbabwe: Covid-19 Stricken Zimbabwe Rejects Johnson & Johnson Vaccine Donation
https://allafrica.com/stories/202107050438.html

Zimbabwe's government has turned down a donation of three million doses from the African Union (AU) of the highly potent single dose Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine citing lack of storage facilities.

This comes at a time there is a spike in Covid-19 infections with the country having recorded over 1 000 new cases Saturday alone.

Finance Ministry permanent secretary George Guvamatanga has given as an excuse, the lack of preparedness on storage requirements.

In a letter of rejection to the African Export-Import Bank, seen by NewZimbabwe.com Sunday, Guvamatanga also expressed government's reservations about the vaccine's possible side effects.

"The government of Zimbabwe notes that there is an allocation of the Johnson and Johnson vaccines for August 2021. However, I wish to advise that the government of Zimbabwe is not yet ready to participate in the August allocation as measures are still being put in place to establish the cold chain management framework for the vaccines, as well as on management of the anticipated adverse effects of the vaccines following inoculation," Guvamatanga wrote.

He added: "Therefore, we will advise of our readiness to receive the vaccines once our internal processes have been conducted, hopefully in time for next allocation. I wish to restate the government of Zimbabwe's commitment to participate in Africa Union Covid-19 vaccination programme which the bank is supporting."

Clinical trials have shown that a single dose of the vaccine had an efficacy rate of 72% in the United States, and a lower efficacy in countries where more contagious variants are widespread.

Zimbabwe is currently battling to contain the rapidly spreading Delta variant and other highly prevalent coronavirus viral variants .

The vaccine has been authorised for emergency use by the European Union, the United States and other countries.

Janssen Pharmaceutica, a Belgium-based subsidiary of American company Johnson & Johnson, developed the vaccine in collaboration with Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Centre.

The AU set up the deal, in which the African Export-Import Bank would pay for 220 million doses of vaccines to be distributed equitably among member states.

Zimbabwe was to receive three million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine that were produced in Britain.

The country is currently using China's Sinopharm and Sinovac vaccines both from China, as well as Sputnik V from Russia and India's AstraZeneca.

There has been high demand for Covid-19 vaccines in the country of late amid reports of shortages.

Most health facilities have been offering second jabs only, leaving those intending to get inoculated for the first time stranded.

However, Health Ministry spokesperson, Donald Mujiri recently told NewZimbabwe.com that there had never been shortages in the country, but the inoculation process was being frustrated by logistical issues.

Some private health facilities are offering the jabs at a price of US$40 for locals and US$70 for tourists, which is beyond the affordability of most Zimbabweans.

Zimbabwe has so far recorded a total of 1 860 Covid-19 deaths and 53 665 cases since the pandemic was first reported in the country in March last year.

As the cases spike, the government last week introduced Level Four lockdown restrictions, and suspended the reopening of schools, and mass gatherings among other measures.
 
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There are multiple examples of countries rejecting the J&J vaccine -- the latest country being Zimbabwe. (Post below from the Latest Vaccine News thread where other examples can be found).

Both AstraZeneca and J&J Janseen COVID vaccines are less effective than mRNA vaccines. They both are similar in formula and due to this have an issue with blood clots (although rare) - which is why many countries do not recommend either for people under 60 years of age.

It should also be noted that the majority of available J&J vaccine doses floating around the face of the earth are from the Emergent BioSolutions plant in Maryland which the U.S. discarded as tainted.
How fortunate for Moderna and Pfizer.

It’s amazing the adverse effects of the mRNA vaccines are completely ignored by the media. o_O
 
How fortunate for Moderna and Pfizer.

It’s amazing the adverse effects of the mRNA vaccines are completely ignored by the media. o_O

Actually the information on adverse effects with mRNA COVID vaccines have been closely followed in the media.

Now let's ask a question -- which would rather have:
  • A COVID vaccine with 95% efficacy with a very, very low chance of a mild case of myocarditis which normally does not need medical treatment.
  • OR a COVID vaccine with a 78% efficacy with a very low chance of enduring a blood clot which will require medical treatment.
 
Both AstraZeneca and J&J Janseen COVID vaccines are less effective than mRNA vaccines.

The J and J is less effective "as administered" ie. in one shot which was their goal.

However, trials are in progress or might have been completed by now (started late April I think) to see what the results from 2-doses look like. Would not surprise me if the results from two doses were very good but they got approval for one shot and so they may or may not want to move away from that strategy for marketing reasons.

But I have no reason yet to conclude that - ounce for ounce- the J and J vaccine is less effective. Only that they chose to administer it differently.
 
Similar to the J&J Jassen vaccine -- it is hard to give-away the AstraZeneca vaccine. Countries want mRNA COVID vaccines which are more effective and have fewer side-effects (e.g. blood clots).

Canada to donate almost 18 million surplus AstraZeneca doses to low- and middle-income countries
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covax-donations-astrazeneca-surplus-1.6099072
Effectiveness is about on par and side effects have been overblown. I suspect it's been done so to subsidize J&J and AZ to other countries w/o people bitching about handouts. If you tell them "it's not safe, let's give them away instead" it's an easier sell.

Conventional vax also create a wider spectrum of antibodies and are likely to better protect against mutations as mRNA vax is targeted.

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news...nson-vaccine-is-more-effective-than-you-think

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/27/science/covid-vaccine-virus-resistance.html

How fortunate for Moderna and Pfizer.

It’s amazing the adverse effects of the mRNA vaccines are completely ignored by the media. o_O
the side effects of mRNA are mild and non-fatal unlike the current conventional vax, which granted are rare.
 
Actually the information on adverse effects with mRNA COVID vaccines have been closely followed in the media.

Now let's ask a question -- which would rather have:
  • A COVID vaccine with 95% efficacy with a very, very low chance of a mild case of myocarditis which normally does not need medical treatment.
  • OR a COVID vaccine with a 78% efficacy with a very low chance of enduring a blood clot which will require medical treatment.

Taking the AZ vaccine out of the discussion.

The J&J vaccine’s blood clotting issues are next to nill. There’s many more heart and coronary problems with the mRNA’s.

Discussion on efficacy is debated but the J&J is 99.5% effective on keeping you out of the hospital, which is the goal., or was before the Delta which none have been really stacked against. Also the J&J was tested on different variants unlike the early testing of the Moderna/Pfiser.

The J&J is perfectly capable of protecting you.
 
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