Can you lose more than the Initial Margin?

i don't see why the 'electronic' markets can't be overloss protected in the same way fx is

stops are NO guarantee to get you out of the market without severe loss, a stop is
merely an order to execute at the market and depending on your margin amount may
not prevent an overloss

after the 9/11 re-opening while the dow never rallied back to the previous close the es did
 
Quote from Vista:

I know you don't want to hear this, but the truth is you don't have a large enough account size to swing trade ES overnight. You'd be subjecting yourself to far too much risk.

Two other ideas for trading the S&P with your account size:

1) Trade 60 sh. of SPY. That way in your scenario, you'd lose 25% of the account. That hurts, but you can recover.

2) Daytrade 1 contract only and never hold overnight. Always using stops.
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+1

Good advice about trading the SPY instead of the futures if you want to swing trade the index.
 
Quote from TraderZones:

Now I understand your user ID. Limit down & limit up is basically not limiting your loss. It basically means that there is no one on the other side of your trade at the max extent allowed in the trading session. There is no guarantee you will get out with an acceptable loss.

After 9/11, they closed the markets for a few days. Do you think people were getting out with a 5 point ES loss???
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with overnight initial margin of $6000, this is 120 ES points.. I doubt people will lose $250.000 with a $25000 account.

Also the markets rallied after gap down of 9/11. limit down is usually bullish and limit up is bearish because of all those countertrend traders
 
trading is pretty easy, and if you are on the wrong side of a catastrophic event....well you deserve to get blown out

i was short 15 ES contracts before 9/11

the market tells you where it's going

just listen to it and you won't be afraid of losing big

with the right tools, you can't lose

why make it so hard?

simple
 
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trading is pretty easy, and if you are on the wrong side of a catastrophic event....well you deserve to get blown out

i was short 15 ES contracts before 9/11

the market tells you where it's going

just listen to it and you won't be afraid of losing big

with the right tools, you can't lose

why make it so hard?

simple
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It's so easy a caveman can do it!
 
Quote from PPT:

trading is pretty easy, and if you are on the wrong side of a catastrophic event....well you deserve to get blown out

i was short 15 ES contracts before 9/11

the market tells you where it's going

just listen to it and you won't be afraid of losing big

with the right tools, you can't lose

why make it so hard?

simple
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Just too damn funny for words.
:D :D :D :D :eek:
 
Quote from PPT:
trading is pretty easy, and if you are on the wrong side of a catastrophic event....well you deserve to get blown out

i was short 15 ES contracts before 9/11

the market tells you where it's going

just listen to it and you won't be afraid of losing big

with the right tools, you can't lose

why make it so hard? simple



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Just too damn funny for words.
:D :D :D :D :eek:



+1 It is amazing how easy it can be to tell who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about or what they are doing. PPT is a poster child for "I read a book and now I am a paper trader." Will take him/her several more years to save up $400 or so for a micro forex account...
 
Quote from failed_trad3r:

with overnight initial margin of $6000, this is 120 ES points.. I doubt people will lose $250.000 with a $25000 account.

Also the markets rallied after gap down of 9/11. limit down is usually bullish and limit up is bearish because of all those countertrend traders
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That doesn't change the fact that your previous post was completely amateur.
 
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That doesn't change the fact that your previous post was completely amateur.
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TZ
Why does it bother you so much what other people post.

This is only ET, it is not as though it is a collection of serious traders.
 
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