Can someone help me to use this?

Quote from cabletrader:

Books for me too but you can only learn so much from books as they're all theory, gaining practical experience is invaluable. I learned more from expensive hard knocks, but with a good mentor I could have avoided those losses. How would I know if they're good? Well a few live trading sessions would probably do it, maybe a profit sharing agreement to make it worth their while, kind of 'earn-as-you-learn' and 'pay-as-you-go'.


No doubt, the books just give you a starting place to jump from. They can guide you in the right direction and then with screen time you can piece it together for yourself.

Profitsharing agreement would be nice, except the people that are really good enough to be a great mentor usually are too busy raking in the cash to spend time teaching a stranger.

I think forums like ET are a great place for rookies to learn. there is a lot of good stuff here. They just have to learn that there are a lot of vultures hanging around who can't trade, but will gladly take their money under the guise of teaching them how to trade. I am not pointing to anyone in particular, I'm just saying...
 
I own 50+ trading books & have read about 20-25 so far, but they're like diet books, one book says TA is the way to go, another says TA is bunk, a third will say that any random entry will work with proper money mgmt....I know eventually I will fine tune my BS meter, so i will be able to screen out the garbage

Another example....I mentioned John carter earlier...I thought "mastering the trade" was a great book. He has simple easy to use setups that i thought were the holy grail after reading the book, then i search the forums & it seems like the concensus was that blindly following his setups would lose money & there was no edge with his setups.....So, back to the drawing board

To address a couple of other points:

Of I course I would be willing to pay or profit share with a great mentor, comensurate with the help

No I dont I can learn to trade in a couple of days, but I could be pointed in the right direction in a couple of days....by a mentor that is already successful at the level where i want to be
 
I am not really sure why you want to be a trader. You goal of 2%/month, 25% per year can be achieved by positiontrading. You don't need to sit in front of 8 screens all day, just play it with the longer timeframe and you are free to go to the beach.

If you make a search on this site and read it for a few days, there are several posters who post their swingtrades. You just back them up and there you go...
I know, it is not that exciting than making your own trades, but do you really care???
 
Quote from Pekelo:

I am not really sure why you want to be a trader. You goal of 2%/month, 25% per year can be achieved by positiontrading. You don't need to sit in front of 8 screens all day, just play it with the longer timeframe and you are free to go to the beach.

If you make a search on this site and read it for a few days, there are several posters who post their swingtrades. You just back them up and there you go...
I know, it is not that exciting than making your own trades, but do you really care???


2 thoughts:

Obviously more than 2%/mo would be better, I just want to keep my DDs low, so I have a conservative target to start...I would love more down the road

Second, in addition to returns, I am interest in learning all i can about trading & the inner working of the markets for my long term financial security...such as understanding when to move capital from hard to soft assets or into different currencies to hedge against the dollar dropping
 
I gave you solid advice.
You want to bicker with the masses, go ahead.
Good luck.


Quote from condorll:

jdkgroup,

I have been thinking about your request and how you should approach this ever since you started this thread.

Learning a trading method/how to trade in a couple days is unrealistic. Intraday trading is alot more challenging than swing trading (3-15 days) as well.

I have been swing trading for about 20 years, the past 10 years online and although I am totally impressed with your setup, I don't think I could handle so many screens. Information overload.

What I would recommend for starters is the following.

1) Use 2 or 3 screens max.

2) Look at some growth stock charts and decide where you would have entered those trades and where you would have exited.

3) Get software that has fundamental screening capability (to identify strong growth stocks) and with some prebuilt trading strategies included, and play around with them to determine which strategies will give you your approx desired entry points.

4) Trade long only, no shorts on individual stocks, newbies get burnt badly shorting. If you feel the need to short, short a sector or Market ETF, or buy a short ETF. Look at a 30 year chart of the S&P to understand what I mean. Markets go up, period.

5) Money management is extremely important. Read articles/books whatever to understand the concepts of how much to risk on an individual trade, and how you should calculate your position size. Your mid 6 figure account is way to large for starters. Trim that back to about 100k and no more than 5 or 6 positions to monitor at a time, 15% - 20% in each trade.

6) Do not use margin until you have a successfully track record over, say a year.

7) You desire to earn 2% per month is totally realistic and can be achieved, but not on the entire 500k wad for at least a year or 2.

Good Luck!
 
Quote from condorll:

I gave you solid advice.
You want to bicker with the masses, go ahead.
Good luck.

I do appreciate the advice. I am trying to take everything in and formulate a plan that meshes with my personality, time frames & goals. I don't take for granted the time you or anyone used to help me here on this thread. I offer my sincere gratitude.
 
jdkgroup.....I think you would like the YM, ES or NQ mini futures. You can enter trades outside of regular market hours which I think is a big plus.
 
Quote from jaronimo:


They just have to learn that there are a lot of vultures hanging around who can't trade, but will gladly take their money under the guise of teaching them how to trade. I am not pointing to anyone in particular, I'm just saying...

Yes, I think jdkgroup already knows that which probably helped cut down his PM's by 90% :)

I agree, forums like this can be useful but they probably reflect market participants, there's a disproportionate number of fools!

There's an old adage which says 'those who can't do, teach', I wonder how accurate that is.
 
Quote from jdkgroup:

I own 50+ trading books & have read about 20-25 so far, but they're like diet books, one book says TA is the way to go, another says TA is bunk, a third will say that any random entry will work with proper money mgmt....I know eventually I will fine tune my BS meter, so i will be able to screen out the garbage


I have yet to find a book that is the "end all, be all" of trading, or any other subject for that matter. You have to take bits and pieces from each book. Every book has value. Sometimes it tells you what to do, sometimes you realize what not to do.

I read a lot, but I do it in a different way than most. I always have a small notebook and pen with me when I am reading. If I read something helpful, I write it down.

I have accumulated about 150 pages of random thoughts from trading books. I occasionally go through those thoughts and it helps me to formulate my trading plan and strategies. I then rewrite it into a clearer thought stream. It helps me to formulate what it means to me. By rewriting it in a format that someone else would clearly understand it helps me because you really have to know a subject if you are writing it to explain to others. Not that I have shared it with anyone, or have any plans to, but one day it might make a good trading book?
 
In the mail today came:
Stock market Logic - Fosback
Encyclopedia of Tech. Market indicators - Colby


Last week:
Evidenced Based TA - Aronson
Technically Speaking - Wilkinson


These along with 4 or 5 long threads on here will keep me busy for a little while...unless anyone has anything else to suggest
 
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