Can California Be Saved, or Is It Too Late?
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That is a lot to take in. I'm pretty sure he's going to be just fine in the solstice day parade as long as he knows where all the toilets are in advance. In case of emergency, you know. Otherwise, it could be a total shitshow.
it's fun to live in your empty head rent free.
Well no one is really suggesting that as a solution, just remove the obstacles or unfairness. And many of the cases I pulled up on sentencing differences involved two equally poor defendants. So rich always get off of crimes and that won't change but we still have apples to apples differences in justice applications. Since human being judges apply the law with discretion this has to change. That does NOT absolve the problem of the criminal in the first place of course since they do deserve punishment.
As for education, it is still a money issue tied with race. Large % of minorities we are referring to grow up in poverty because the cycle of racism is merely 2 generations back (how many grandfathers of current genreation Black went to college or reached higher levels of their career) and it takes more time than that for opportunity and eocnomics to trickle down. Not much can be done to speed it along if the obstacles are removed which for the most part they are. Many people now are simply 2-3 generations connected with Jim Crow. The grandchildren of the current generation will see more prosperity and it will keep spreading.
Growing up in poverty usually means inner cities and we all know the school systems are under funded and poorly equipped and misrun. A city has a humonguos budget need and dwindling income/revenue so schools always get short changed.
If there was any problem I would like to see money thrown at intelligently it is education with the proper policies in place to incentivize schools perform better and not just pass kids on through up and out both at the local and federal level. This requires real comprehensive input from academics, economists, city planners, politicians and social workers but it aint never going to happen sadly. I started in an inner city public school and finished in a suburban public school. Main difference was resources as both had decicated teachers and staff, just inner city had little to work with.
I mostly agree with your assessment here, but there is still something that continues to confuse me. Allow a story.
I grew up in Gary, IN. which is nearly a suburb of Chicago. In the 60's I went to High School at the last all white high school in the city. Our class was the first to have black kids in it, about 50 or 60 in a class of nearly 600 students. They were bused in from what was the predominantly black side of the city. We had been with them since 7th grade so for us in that class it was no big deal, but their freshman year in high school was hell for them, and remember this was the mid sixties. As time went on they were mostly accepted and every class after had more black kids.
Here's the confusing part. Nearly every one of those black kids in my class did well in school, some exceptionally well. Given the circumstances one would think they'd fail. They faced real discrimination, real racism, real oppression, not the make believe crap we hear about today. I think they made it because in those classrooms they studied from the same books, were held to the same standards, there was no curve for them. Nearly every single one went to college. Many that I have kept in touch with have been successful, some very successful. They accomplished this during the 70's which was still full of discrimination on the job front. Why? Why did this generation of blacks do so well, much better that the current generation, when they fought against much greater odds and hardships? I think it's family structure, being held to account, and no excuse making leftists telling them how weak and oppressed they were. They were given opportunity and took full advantage of it.
We have fostered an environment in the subsequent years which gives rise to a weakening of our children, and that is the result of leftist ideology across the board. I've lived through it, seen it happen with my own eyes. The whole fucking country is being pussified to accommodate radical leftists.
They did well because they were moved from an all Black school that was probably second class and short of resources to a better school. I don't doubt they did well because they were given what I stated in my premise...opportunity. A shitty run down school in the inner city with no resources and lack of supplies provides no opportunity for any kid of any background to do well, though a small few will. Lift all those kids out and put them in a suburban school with resources and enough teachers who care and they could all succeed no problem. it is not a racial issue, just one of lack of opportunities denied for so long and it takes generations to make up.
You are making the statement that people are demanding they get easier curves, easier lesson and lower standards. Nothing can be further from the truth. No one advocated a curve for them or an easier path, just an equal one that was promised back in 1954. But in many schools it took another 20-30 years to catch up.
Yor story proves the point that if educational resources were provided equally as required by the law in 1954 it would have corrected a lot. Your experience is unique as busing failed in many neighborhoods due to racism and divides.
The same word comes up again and again, opportunity. That is all any person wants. Racism was not wiped out in the 1960s which is why a % were denied opportunity or equal access to the same resources white and black kids in the suburbs were afforded. The solution was not to being asked to give those kids a handout, just the same opportunity.
You are making the statement that people are demanding they get easier curves, easier lesson and lower standards. Nothing can be further from the truth. No one advocated a curve for them or an easier path, just an equal one that was promised back in 1954. But in many schools it took another 20-30 years to catch up.
Yor story proves the point that if educational resources were provided equally as required by the law in 1954 it would have corrected a lot. Your experience is unique as busing failed in many neighborhoods due to racism and divides.
The same word comes up again and again, opportunity. That is all any person wants. Racism was not wiped out in the 1960s which is why a % were denied opportunity or equal access to the same resources white and black kids in the suburbs were afforded. The solution was not to being asked to give those kids a handout, just the same opportunity.
Nope. Try again. Nice long argument, but nope.
You raise some good points, but still don't address why the children of today aren't doing as well as the black kids of 50-60 years ago. Whatever racism and discrimination still exists isn't anywhere near what it was, not even close. What is different is they are growing up in extreme violence, nearly 100% of it black on black crime, and no fathers in the home. This is why they're failing in school, and are completely unprepared for anything that resembles a normal life as they grow older. Until that gets address in a serious fashion it will get worse.
Well I dont make the claim that children overall are not doing well as in past, but the inner city schools have become worse as funding has fallen off and mismanagement. Larger portions of inner city kids are Black but it is not as much racism as it is poor education and city budegets cannot handle the increasing needs of inner city schools (using old or not enough textbooks, not enough funds to hire staff needed, old decrepit infrastructure, etcc). The percentage of minorities moving out to suburbs and getting better education most likely has increased though I cannot pull up a stat.
I believe the issue of education has moved more towards poverty than racism and crime is way more appealing and profitable than being in a crappy school that is falling aaprt.
Yes. Likely too far gone to be saved... not to mention that they're not trying to "save/fix" anything but rather are content to continue to make everything (Lefty) worse.
Liberalism/Socialism/Communism destroys every society it touches. American DemoCraps have adopted the Lefty philosophy as an avenue to power. Too bad for all except the "in control, power elites".
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