Can a Graduate Degree from Oxford U help me get a salaried position in trading?

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Thank you very much for your response. I lost money but was told that it was uncommon for a beginning trader not to lose money in the first year, break even the second year, and start to really make money in the third year. There was a problem with the way I was managing money since nearly 80% of my trades were profitable on a daily basis but then I would have days where every trade I made lost money thus undoing the previous week's work. So I admit I have a lot to learn, I know that I will not become a great trader by virtue of my education....I just hope my education can get my foot in the door so that I can learn from the best and eventually become the best. I actually got that position without a letter of recommendation from my former manager.


Freedom,

Well, congrats on your acceptance to Oxford. Oxford has a good math program. Perhaps, I can speak a little bit about your situation. I went to a top Ivy League school here in the US. I have worked on both sell-side and buy side institutions during portfolio management, trading, and quant research.

And let me tell you this SURPRISE. When I tried my hands at prop trading(almost 1.5yrs now), I thought all of this stuff that I learned in school, the complex modelling skills I've gained during my previous quant trading jobs,etc. would somehow help me in prop trading.

The truth is NONE of actually helped! At least not directly. Perhaps indirectly. I had to go through all the ups& downs and psychological turmoil of trading. Now, I admit I'm beyond my previous newbie skills. And perhaps my education did play a small role in helping me recognize or discovered certain "edge"(positive expected value strategy). But it's the psychology that helped me applied it correctly and maximize the edge. And no one can teach you psychology.

Education is good if you need to go to established institution that looks favorably on that. But if you want to trade for yourself then none of it really matters. Because markets are collective crowd behaviour and the crowd is usually irrational and erratic and crazy at times. hehe.

Psychology, emotional make-up/intelligence , and perseverance probably counts more and help you in the long run in terms of trading success.

However, education can be a good foundation if you want to become a pure systems trader or worked for a quant trading desk/hedge fund. Most of what Wall St does is NOT "trading" per se. It's market making. The public is confused. The pure traders who do well are very rare and difficult skill to obtain and can not be found in anywhere except through deep introspection.

So, again congrats on your further education. But the market isn't so simple. But the thing is most established places will pay you while you learn. So, that's a good stress reliever while you are a beginner. So, go for that.

good luck.

trader99
 
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Who knows, maybe I will meet up with some of you one day when I do become a trader and am able to buy you all out ten times over.

:eek: EOM.
 
Quote from FreedomPhighter:


Thick skin does not mean that I will be bullied around....rather I will be defensive and let people know that they are fucking with the wrong person.

Sounds like you suffered a number of buttkickings in grade school. I'd expect you'll get the same treatment from the blokes at Oxford.

Great thread. Definitely one for the archives.
 
Quote from NihabaAshi:



Interesting...

Here's the 1st post reply to your 1st post...



Here's the 2nd post reply to your 1st post...



Here's your 1st post reply to the above two posts...



You truly don't see how your reaction got the thread started the way it is currently going...

had you simply stopped there...made no reference to ET members via a blanket statement by calling them assholes...

I don't think this thread would be as long as it is with the current tone.

Last of all, please don't underestimate my academic background.

Hopefully you'll have a better attitude tomorrow and start fresh with a new thread without calling anybody assholes.

P.S. Those EliteMember identification below members name you see means absolutely nothing...

their better best served via something like "Active Poster" or something like that...nothing elite about it.

NihabaAshi

Are you aware that I posted my first message to EVERY forum on elitetrader.com and someone, a moderator I assume, deleted all my posts except for this one? The first and second responses to my post were on OTHER forums from which my original posts have been deleted. If you don't understand that then I believe my estimation of your intellectual capacity is worse than I assumed. Think to yourself: WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD I CALL THE PEOPLE ON HERE ASSHOLES? I just wanted my fucking question answered. YOU MUST HAVE MISSED THE RESPONSES THAT WERE POSTED ON THE OTHER FORUMS WHICH WERE, IN FACT, NEGATIVE. If you knew me personally you'd know that I am hardly the type of person to start any shit with people. But you would also know that I am hardly the type of person who will take any shit from people either whether you hide behind your elite trader status or not. The decent thing for the moderator that deleted my posts to do would be to confirm that the first responses to my original post were on other forums (not the career trader forum). Thanks
 
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I wasted a good portion of my day with this forum. Thanks

LOL!! Oh come on now you Oxford bound self made guy. At least this forum kept you off the Internet porn sites. Now your wrist is sore from typing all day.
 
Quote from okwon:

Dude just go to Oxford already! It looks like you already decided anyhow so what's the point of posting it here? What if you got responses to your question that said your Oxford diploma will not help you at all with getting a trading job? You would still go to Oxford at this point anyways, right? Just stick with your decision and go. It can't hurt.


Yes you are right about that. I suppose I just worry too much. Thanks
 
Quote from trend456:

This is the best thread on ET! Grads from Ivy's are always funny. They make a fool out of themselves all the time.

LOL!!!!

Good Luck

:D trend

Almost the entire forum is thrashing me with negative remarks and you say that I am making a fool of myself? I beg to differ
 
Quote from FreedomPhighter:

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Dude,

Stop with the Elite Trader or Elite Member stuff.

What's up with that?

More importantly, why are you going around at an annonymous discussion forum...

assuming you know my academic background or the academic background of others here?

I know for fact there are several members here with post graduate degrees and a few PHd's...

two of which I personally know...

and I've never seen either of them even mention their academic backgrounds here at EliteTrader...

even amongst a thread full of personal attacks when they were posting in those threads.

Your still young and hopefully you'll learn some useful social skills that doesn't undermind your academic background or underminds anything else that puts yourself in front of others...

P.S. I've competed in sports against several from Oxford and I don't remember any of them with the character you currently display...

Also...it was a good trading day and you seem to miss out with that many posts...

maybe Oxford will teach you better time management skills.

In other words...go to bed or out to dinner with friends and relax...

that's were I'm heading...bye.

NihabaAshi
 
Quote from Don Bright:

Come on guys, "can't we all just get along"......lol

Why is everyone in such a bad mood....a good trading day (up and down, daytrading paradise).....???

Oh well, at least I'm not the brunt of the attention!!

Don:cool:

I would love to get along but I feel as if I'm in a den of lions with only my bare hands to fend for myself. All I wanted was some insight on where Oxford might bring me. These people can be ridiculous...
 
if you encourage this much animosity everywhere you go, i feel really sorry for you. and don't give us this BS about only responding in defense, if you really wanted constructive advice you'd know not to lash out at anyone for any reason on your thread. that's not kissing ass, it just decency and common sense when you're asking for something. maybe there's a course on emotional intelligence at oxford.

face it, you came here to brag.
 
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