Can a Graduate Degree from Oxford U help me get a salaried position in trading?

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Quote from Ditch:



You still don't get it . Your analytical skills and Oxford degree will be to little benefit when you're a trader, because trading is about different skills and mindset: perseverence, determination, ability to control emotions and humility. You will be surprised what your
emotions will do to you when you start trading your OWN money.
Your Oxford degree may land you with numerous interviews for a trader's position, but that only shows the lunacy of the selection process for jobs at Wall Street.

I agree with Ditch , a degree will certainly help you get interviews .. but in order to get hired and keep your job , you'll have to be able to fool people into thinking that you know more about trading than you really do.

As for graduate school, you're better off dedicating time towards an obsessive self education asap. It takes many years to reach proficiency.
 
Quote from JT47319:

I’m unsure as to how it’s done overseas, but here student loan interest is deductible. Defer the loan as much as humanly possible and elect to pay only interest. The interest deduction should afford you a tax advantage at the end of the year while allowing you to free up capital for better use, like trading your account.

Whether or not you were the best trader is somewhat irrelevant. The fact is, you still lost money for your firm. It becomes substantially different when you start to trade your own money. If you can survive your first year and become profitable, than you will probably be able to fulfill whatever potential your manager saw in you. As it is, your account is red. That's all that matters.

In several of the Market Wizards books, many of the traders became analysts or brokers. These are salaried positions allowing you to maintain a lifestyle while building your own account.

Whatever education you have is again somewhat irrelevant because it has no direct impact on your ability or trading skills. You had on the job training and experience, but as you pointed out, you lost money. Your manager’s opinion of you might help you get in the door (you did ask him for a letter of recommendation, right?).

Anyways, you can always go to hedgeworld.com, register for their two week free trial, and go to their message boards. Positions as analysts and traders are available, but from my inspection, the trading positions required experience.

Other options would be to directly contact the big name firms like Goldman Sachs to see if you can get into their program to become a market maker, specialist, or whathaveyou.

Thank you very much for your response. I lost money but was told that it was uncommon for a beginning trader not to lose money in the first year, break even the second year, and start to really make money in the third year. There was a problem with the way I was managing money since nearly 80% of my trades were profitable on a daily basis but then I would have days where every trade I made lost money thus undoing the previous week's work. So I admit I have a lot to learn, I know that I will not become a great trader by virtue of my education....I just hope my education can get my foot in the door so that I can learn from the best and eventually become the best. I actually got that position without a letter of recommendation from my former manager.
 
Quote from mdl060374:

here is some brief advice:

1. Ignore the negative posters here.. What you did was a little annoying (posting in every thread) but it was a newbie mistake...

Dont apologize for your background, many here are bitter towards Ivy leagers and love to boast that they make shitty traders... some do some dont..

2. Contact First New York securites. They pay a salary ($45K about) and only look at top school grads... They are a bit arrogant in the interview process so expect it if you get one..

3. Also contact your alumni development. Wall street jobs go to those have contacts. It isnt always fair, but that is how the game works....

4. the job maket now is tough. Since you are young, you can always leave your job for a better one once things turn around.

I appreciate your response. I just feel like I am continually having to defend myself when all I really wanted from this forum was to get an idea of what my options are after I graduate from Oxford. I just wanted to know whether my decision to take up pure mathematics will adversely affect my ability to obtain a salaried trading position. Thanks for the tips. I knew that there would be some people on here who are actually willing to help me. Thanks
 
Quote from FreedomPhighter:



Thanks for the opinion. I appreciate it

To be more specific: You're not cut out to be a self-employed trader. Anyway, you seem to have a desire to belong to a certain crowd, good luck on that.
 
Quote from Breakout:

Get that education first big guy. It may not make you a better
trader, but It"ll open a hell of a lot of doors. This thread reminded
me of one of my favorite quotes.


When I first came down here, I was Mr. Big Ego. I had a law degree and here were all these ex-cops and truck drivers and people with 200-word vocabularies trading in the pits. I figured I'd make a killing, right? With this competition, how could you lose? Then I got the shit kicked out of me. Then I got the shit kicked out of me again. You know what I've learned down here? Humility. Discipline. You come into this business with any sense of superiority, and you're dead.

Marty Dickman, corn trader
A Fool and His Money
John Rothchild, 1997, p. 184


Best of luck !

I want to get my education first but was curious about whether my Oxford degree in pure math could hurt rather than help my chances at landing a salaried trading job. Pure math has nothing to do with trading but i think it will teach me a hell of a lot about discipline. Thanks
 
uh, what ? quit talking out of your ass.

If you really wanted a wall street type job you would have taken that $55k gig and we wouldn't be wasting thread space on this.

by the way, even if you want to be a quant a M.S is Bullshit, you need a Phd.
 
Quote from bzod99:

Please promise us that at the close you'll tell us who you are, and your regular ET screen name. This has been a somewhat interesting diversion, but I can not believe that you are truly this obnoxious and/or clueless. Great flame thread though, so congrats on that...

sorry to dissappoint you but everything I said on here is true. I will be going to Oxford (assuming the loans are all sorted out...more headaches) and I do wish to trade securities for a living with salary. I should appreciate it very much if you would point out which parts of my posts imply that I am clueless? I consider myself pretty well informed. You will notice that obnoxiousness was borne on this thread not of itself, but rather of the many negative and demeaning comments I have received from the people on here. You can say I was obnoxious as a defense but you can't say that I was ever obnoxious offensively. My comments have always been a response to negativity. Open your eyes and you might just see that...

By the way, I am not quite mensa material....my IQ was professionally determined to be only 145 (that test was done when I was about 10 years old though so it is probably higher now...lol)
 
The only skills I hope to obtain in graduate school are related to discipline and analysis. I hope my education will help me get a foot in the door so I can be in a position to become a good trader. [/B][/QUOTE]

Sorry to say this: but the kind of discipline you are going to learn is not the kind you need in the markets and most traders are not really to0 big on analysis. The only reason would be to get a quant job but then again that is not trading unless you get involved later on in the actual trading process.
 
Quote from prox:



I agree with Ditch , a degree will certainly help you get interviews .. but in order to get hired and keep your job , you'll have to be able to fool people into thinking that you know more about trading than you really do.

As for graduate school, you're better off dedicating time towards an obsessive self education asap. It takes many years to reach proficiency.

...but in order to keep your job you'll have to fool people into thinking that you know more about trading than you really do..." ? Is that how you keep your job? Sorry but getting my foot in the door because of oxford is entirely different from keeping my job because of performance. You should know that at least....I am willing to dedicate many years of my life to learning the trading game.
 
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