Or, the residents and business owners will arm themselves, and crime will drop.
Calls to defund police?! Wtf epic fail
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Or, the residents and business owners will arm themselves, and crime will drop.
Good post. I don't get pulled over often but when I do I roll down my window and hang both hands out the window until the cop is up on me and then I tell them I'm going for my wallet. You won't get shot in LA if you do that, its expected.
Requiring a 2 year law enforcement degree and subsequent certification is going to be called racist in the USA (academic requirements are problematic) but it is a great idea.
You have to pay cops better for that of course. There is a need for a higher ratio of sergeants and for those sergeants to be out with their officers. I feel like an older experienced cop might have stopped that murder. That crew was all young.
The academy system is supposed to address all of this but it doesn't seem to instill the basic idea that you cannot choke people. No choke holds. No choke pins. No baton chokes. So basic.
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well, we have a control group now:
https://www.latimes.com/california/...etti-lapd-budget-cuts-10000-officers-protests
Mayor Eric Garcetti said he will direct $250 million to youth jobs, health initiatives and “peace centers” to heal trauma, and will allow those who have suffered discrimination to collect damages. The money will have to be cut from other city operations; Garcetti, backed by City Council President Nury Martinez and his new Police Commission president, said as much as $150 million would come from the Los Angeles Police Department.
https://www.latimes.com/california/...etti-lapd-budget-cuts-10000-officers-protests
Mayor Eric Garcetti said he will direct $250 million to youth jobs, health initiatives and “peace centers” to heal trauma, and will allow those who have suffered discrimination to collect damages. The money will have to be cut from other city operations; Garcetti, backed by City Council President Nury Martinez and his new Police Commission president, said as much as $150 million would come from the Los Angeles Police Department.
This is outstanding.
This is a bit hyperbolic, isn't it? Club you to death for interrupting their lunch?
So much of what you write is grounded in common sense and intelligent thought. Don't ruin it with over the top statements that are clearly ridiculous and incendiary.
As a CCW holder and one who carries everywhere, this comparison ignores the fact that CCW holders aren't compelled to respond to calls for help, aren't dispatched into situations where they would have to encounter the same things as police. No civilian CCW holder has to make traffic stops, or enter a domestic dispute. So you can't really use this as any relevance at all.
Coming home from the range? Whenever I have been stopped by police officers I have never had a single problem. Ever. Hands on the wheel, polite conversation. Even when I was carrying and the cop knew I was carrying (because I told him).
I know you said you are American, but you now live in the UK, did I read this right? Just curious because I'm wondering when you last lived in the US and were puled over by a police officer. Because it sounds like you're getting a lot of your info from the media. Happy to admit if I am wrong.
This is an excellent suggestion. Also consider pay raises and you'll get better people to risk their life for their job day in and out.
Police could use some better training, no doubt. However, watching your partner murder a man in the street doesn't require a law degree to know that's not right. That's not a lack of knowledge problem, it's a lack of discipline problem. A lack of accountability problem. A lack of leadership problem.
Go out to violent situations unarmed while training? Nope. Not going into that without the ability to defend myself. Better and more extensive training at the academy, better leadership, more accountability is the answer.
Pysch exams before, during and after? Yep, for sure.
Better pay? Absolutely, but that is no guarantee either. Again, more accountability and kill the we got each others back no matter what philosophy. You break the law, we as a unit throw your ass out.
As a helpful tip for would be hoodlums. Try not breaking the law for awhile. Should you choose to break the law and have the misfortune of getting caught, try not running your fuckin mouth and just surrender without resistance. This alone will greatly improve your chances of surviving the encounter with police, have you in a courtroom where a minimal sentence and early release will have your thieving ass back on the streets on no time.
Go out to violent situations unarmed while training? Nope. Not going into that without the ability to defend myself. Better and more extensive training at the academy, better leadership, more accountability is the answer.
Pysch exams before, during and after? Yep, for sure.
Better pay? Absolutely, but that is no guarantee either. Again, more accountability and kill the we got each others back no matter what philosophy. You break the law, we as a unit throw your ass out.
As a helpful tip for would be hoodlums. Try not breaking the law for awhile. Should you choose to break the law and have the misfortune of getting caught, try not running your fuckin mouth and just surrender without resistance. This alone will greatly improve your chances of surviving the encounter with police, have you in a courtroom where a minimal sentence and early release will have your thieving ass back on the streets on no time.
inb4 "the majority of cops are good apples" that just happen to tacitly condone cop on citizen violence by staying silent. We need whistleblower incentives like the IRS & FEC has.
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Kinda, but I would say they accept it as part of the job rather than condone it. That is the result of poor leadership, zero accountability, and fear. The new guy on this most recent case says he was afraid to stop the more senior cop. There is no doubt he was told day one, hour one, minute one, we cover each other out there no matter what. We'll sort out the details later. You want to be the rat, the guy we can't count on? Then good luck when you find yourself in a pinch and need assistance. That is fear being instilled from the very first day, leadership knows and approves it. Until that is addressed all of the classroom training in the world won't help.
Criminals smacking their lips, aren't they?