Call It As I see It... Palin Won!

[a_person]

Quote from bigarrow:

WTF are you talking about.

I am talking about the fact that liberal democrats do want to provide the homeless people with free food and housing and republicans do want to make them work to earn their food and shelter.

This is not an endorsement of the republican policies, this is not even a denunciation of these liberal views as they can be easily explained and defended (even though none of you have even tried, you're all too busy attacking the messenger). This is a simple statement that even though the story is fictitious the overall gist of it is correct.

 

[smilingsynic]

Quote from a_person:

I am talking about the fact that liberal democrats do want to provide the homeless people with free food and housing and republicans do want to make them work to earn their food and shelter.

This is not an endorsement of the republican policies, this is not even a denunciation of these liberal views as they can be easily explained and defended (even though none of you have even tried, you're all too busy attacking the messenger). This is a simple statement that even though the story is fictitious the overall gist of it is correct.

No, it is not correct.

Republican spending on social welfare increased under a Republican president and Congress. Democrats and Republicans both worked to reduce welfare in the 1990's.

Republicans and Democrats love giving big government handouts of taxpayer money to irresponsible individuals who made bad decisions. Check out the $700 billion bill passed on Friday!

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from a_person:

I am defending the fact that the views of liberal democrats are absolutely accurately reflected in his fictitious story. I fail to see how it's indefensible when it's undeniable. In fact none of you attacking the messenger has even attempted to deny the facts about your views presented in the message.

BINGO!
YAHTZEE!
HE SCORES!

 

[a_person]

Quote from smilingsynic:

How do you know those are my views that are in the message?

Undeniable? I am denying that those are my views, OK.

And I would also add that many liberals to help the unemployed find work, so they don't have to get handouts, and many conservatives who live out in rural areas like to rail against welfare moms while living off of agricultural subsidies.

Please, put the shovel down, and step out of the hole you've been digging. There's still time.

No I don't know whether these are your views, I was talking about the views of liberal democrats and the fact that they were properly described in that story. Sorry if it was not obvious from the context.

I actually agreed with you that the guy who posted the story lied. What I don't understand is why (if those are not your views) you are unable to admit that the article described the views of liberal dems quite accurately.

 

[ak15]

Quote from a_person:

I am talking about the fact that liberal democrats do want to provide the homeless people with free food and housing and republicans do want to make them work to earn their food and shelter.

What makes you state so unequivocally that it is a fact "that liberal democrats do want to provide the homeless people with free food and housing and republicans do want to make them work to earn their food and shelter"? Have you gone and spoken to each and every liberal democrat and each and every republican in the country and have recorded each and everyone's response on some of recordable media to prove your major premise?

 

[a_person]

Quote from smilingsynic:

Republican spending on social welfare increased under a Republican president and Congress. Democrats and Republicans both worked to reduce welfare in the 1990's.

I was not talking about politicians and I was not talking about Democrats and republicans, I specifically referred to the ultra-leftist fraction of the democratic party or liberal democrats. It's no secret that they (unlike Bill Clinton and moderate democrats) vehemently opposed the welfare reform.

 

[ak15]

Quote from a_person:

I was not talking about politicians and I was not talking about Democrats and republicans, I specifically referred to the ultra-leftist fraction of the democratic party or liberal democrats. It's no secret that they (unlike Bill Clinton and moderate democrats) vehemently opposed the welfare reform.

You're beginning to contradict yourself. Review your last four statements.

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from Mercor:

The Liberals has some fascination with "dumb".
They refer to Republicans as dumb starting with Reagan then Quaule, Bush, Palin.

Dumb is a unusual word. it is most common in middle school playground situations. Usually it is a defensive word spoken by one who is undereducated and confused, someone who needs to lash out only to give themselves a sense of identity.

Dumb should be an opinion used to describe an action not a character.
Educated people hardly use such a word for any purpose.

Well, liberals who cite extreme right lack of intelligence are usually referring to people whose beliefs betray a lack of intelligence. If you actually, truly believe that the planet earth is literally 6500 years old, and the reason you believe it is that you think a book called The Bible is the received Word of God, I'm sorry - your brain works differently than mine and that difference can be characterized in terms of the differences measured by tests like the Weschler. (This is not even to say that there are not highly intelligent people who believe this - they're just extremely rare).

Please don't misunderstand me, I know that there are people on both sides of the aisle like this. Just look on these boards, at the Lying Alcoholic Troll.

If I said that Dems were more likely to lie through their teeth in order to win a debating point, would you disagree? I hope not.

 

[a_person]

Quote from Mercor:

Ok, I see. Bush with two Ivy league degrees is dumb because he is not a good orator. Sounds like you may be sucker to a smooth talker (Obama). Oh, It was daddy Bush who get W through school. now you are just demeaning those fine universities.

Quayle and the potato. You are a slave to shallow media conclusions. You tube that incident and you see Quayle is surrounded by Liberal teachers who just stand there in agreement.

Palin has solid conservative principles. Unfortunatly she has a running mate with fluctuating principles. Principles that change with the polls, just like the Liberals. They need to make her look simple because that is the theme of the McCain campaign.

I have never had a good word to say about Obama. Nevertheless you don't have to like Gore, Clinton, Kerry or Obama to recognize that GWB and Quayle are idiots, no amount of spin will change this simple fact. Calling them "dumb" is an insult to dumb people.

I am not sure about Palin though, the jury is still out. The undeniable fact is that she is completely uninformed, clueless and ignorant. She may be able to learn of course but she has not demonstrated it yet, memorizing and reciting 50 slogans and 100 cliches out of context is hardly enough to prove your intelligence.

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Well Nik Obama does hang out with terrorists, no? Are you saying Bill Ayers and Dohrn (she was CONVICTED) are not terrorists?

Here's Pabst making a comment: I advocate the bombing of moveon. I do. You think my position is OVER THE TOP radical, right? Well that position is identical to Ayers. Obama hangs with the guy. Palin is 100% correct then in her assessment. Period.

You may have a point. I am unaware how long ago Obama was 'hanging with' Ayers, or what the nature of their relationship was. I'll try to pick it up in the next day or two.