California Playing Brinkmanship with Nullification- Mexican Standoff

[jem]

1. When Arizona wanted to enforce immigration laws and the Obama Admin was bullying Arizona where did you stand on the issue.

2. Do you support State Nullification?
California and other States are nullifying Federal Pot laws.

3. Do you support state nullification on immigration now that sanctuary cites wish to disregard Federal control on this issue.

I welcome you lefties to the shrink the Federal govt team.

States should stand up for themselves and force the Feds to only legislate and work in the areas enumerated for it.

However, unfortunately for CA on this immigration issue... I think Power over immigration was enumerated to the Federal Govt.

Here is a reasonable rundown.

http://www.americanbar.org/publicat...responsible-for-u-s--immigration-policy-.html

4. This is a constitutional crisis in the making with only 8 judges on the Sup. Ct.

I find it interesting that Willie Brown said that California is thinking about telling its citizens to not pay Federal income tax to fight the defunding for sanctuary cities.

This would lead to a Mexican Standoff. (ha)

I don't really think California could secede and survive as one state. Northern California with silicon valley would break off. San Diego and Orange County would give it a go. L.A. would be all by itself.

 

[Cuddles]

1. When Arizona wanted to enforce immigration laws and the Obama Admin was bullying Arizona where did you stand on the issue.

2. Do you support State Nullification?
California and other States are nullifying Federal Pot laws.

3. Do you support state nullification on immigration now that sanctuary cites wish to disregard Federal control on this issue.

I welcome you lefties to the shrink the Federal govt team.

States should stand up for themselves and force the Feds to only legislate and work in the areas enumerated for it.

However, unfortunately for CA on this immigration issue... I think Power over immigration was enumerated to the Federal Govt.

Here is a reasonable rundown.

http://www.americanbar.org/publicat...responsible-for-u-s--immigration-policy-.html

4. This is a constitutional crisis in the making with only 8 judges on the Sup. Ct.

I find it interesting that Willie Brown said that California is thinking about telling its citizens to not pay Federal income tax to fight the defunding for sanctuary cities.

This would lead to a Mexican Standoff. (ha)

I don't really think California could secede and survive as one state. Northern California with silicon valley would break off. San Diego and Orange County would give it a go. L.A. would be all by itself.

The whole Calexit is as ridiculous as Texas wanting to Secede a few years back. I think the fed's have the rights over federal law (as was the case in AZ), and the states have all the rights to not use their budgets on the issue (as in Cali). Really I see no contradiction whatsoever here.

Example one, the state wanted to enforce law that's federal jurisdiction using state agencies (unconstitutional).
Example two, the state is under no obligation to enforce federal law using state agencies (constitutional). It's not barring federal law agencies from coming in and doing their thing.

A prime example is pot. The states are choosing not to abide to federal law, it does not mean the feds can't come in and shut you down.

 

[jem]

regarding your example 2.
then the feds say no state funds go to the state.
then willie brown says that CA may instruct its citizens not to pay federal income taxes.
then maybe secession comes up.
then maybe the courts say something
then maybe we have a constitutional crisis.

hopefully, imo, this winds up with fewer terrorists and a weaker and smaller federal govt.

 

[Cuddles]

regarding your example 2.
then the feds say no state funds go to the state.
then willie brown says that CA may instruct its citizens not to pay federal income taxes.
then maybe secession comes up.
then maybe the courts say something
then maybe we have a constitutional crisis.

hopefully, imo, this winds up with fewer terrorists and a weaker and smaller federal govt.

Well, the feds are trying to recruit state agencies to enforce federal law, something that's arguably a power grab on state's rights. Punitive measures for not complying should rightfully trigger questions of paying taxes....it's like taxation w/o representation in a financial sense. This last bit would be unconstitutional as federal taxes are a federal issue.

I see the state more likely retaliating in punitive financial measures against federal agencies (such as charging fair market on leases of property for instance, or worse not aiding in federal investigations of a more serious nature).

 

[jem]

I think this is awesome. We see the left arguing for states rights.
By the way example 1 is not necessarily unconstitutional in terms of the constitution. The states enforced immigration for the first 50 to 75 years til the Sup Ct helped the Feds grab exclusive power.

Now we see these sanctuary cities are trying to grab some of the power back.
I don't think it can work out too well for the states. We already have states threatening to not respect CA drivers licenses. Soon they may have to stop CA residents at the border if states are allowed to determine that illegal aliens can stay in our country and get drivers licenses.

 

[Cuddles]

I think this is awesome. We see the left arguing for states rights.
By the way example 1 is not necessarily unconstitutional in terms of the constitution. The states enforced immigration for the first 50 to 75 years til the Sup Ct helped the Feds grab exclusive power.

Now we see these sanctuary cities are trying to grab some of the power back.
I don't think it can work out too well for the states. We already have states threatening to not respect CA drivers licenses. Soon they may have to stop CA residents at the border if states can determine who they want to let into the country.

That's a contradiction.

As for the license issue; Cali is the breadbasket of the country. Good luck not delivering the goods to the republic.

 

[achilles28]

Let California leave if it wants. Build a wall Around them. Take the military bases and nukes. Remove their ability to create US dollars. Slap a 35% border tax on their shit.

Enjoy pussies

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Let California leave if it wants. Build a wall Around them. Take the military bases and nukes. Remove their ability to create US dollars. Slap a 35% border tax on their shit.

Enjoy pussies

They stopped being part of the country years ago. Just a formality now. Perhaps they would like to become part of mexico?

 

[jem]

to a leftist its a contradiction. I suggest we follow the constitution. The states should take back all but the powers expressly enumerated.

Since immigration is an enumerated power. The question is should states be allowed to do their own thing when it comes to immigration. I don't think so. But the Feds should enforce the laws on the books.

If a state does not like the Fed exercising enumerated powers. Perhaps it should be allowed to leave. I would have to think about that for a long time.

That's a contradiction.

As for the license issue; Cali is the breadbasket of the country. Good luck not delivering the goods to the republic.

 

[Cuddles]

to a leftist its a contradiction. I suggest we follow the constitution. The states should take back all but the powers expressly enumerated.

Since immigration is an enumerated power. The question is should states be allowed to do their own thing when it comes to immigration. I don't think so. But the Feds should enforce the laws on the books.

If a state does not like the Fed exercising enumerated powers. Perhaps it should be allowed to leave. I would have to think about that for a long time.

I'm a staunch constitutionalist. California is not impeding the job of the feds, it's just not helping them. If ICE wants to wait outside or barge into a state court house (as they have been doing) to drag illegals out, they're well within their constitutional right.