California Orders Bars, Gyms & Indoor Dining To Close In Biggest COVID-19 Reopening Rollback Yet: Li

jem said:
My hair cut lady had to close her business.
I was there last week.
She had to meet me after hours because she did not have the electricity on.
She already asked me to come to her new place where she is working for someone else.
She said she was nervous because she will not have walkin customers there.

She was very sad.
She is an immigrant for viet nam.. nothing but hard work.
Putting her kid through school. Now she will not even have a job in someone's else's business.

I hope none of you are celebrating our very poorly designed shutdown. A shutdown done so poorly done we were only partially open for few weeks.

CA and Gavin Newsom are shinning examples of how not to respond to Covid.
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This is embellishment at its core.
 
gwb-trading said:
A judge declaring such is meaningless.... let's see how a full court decides. By now you should understand it requires an entire panel of a district or appeals court to make these type of decisions. A Republican judge responding to a suit filed by a Republican legislator and deliberately sent to his court room -- is just as meaningless as a Democratic judge responding to a suit filed by a Democratic legislator and deliberate routed to the the Democratic judge. Let's see the decision when the case is appealed to the appropriate panel of judges.
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As we have seen with rulings in other courts, judges do not alway rule in favor of Constitutions, whether State or Federal. Regardless of what courts may say, these restrictions are unconstitutional.
 
what the hell are you talking about?

As I told you shut down supporting morons many times during the shutdown... it was useless after the first few weeks because it was not designed to extinguish the virus only spread it in time to save hospital beds. So once we had the hospital space it was likely doing far more damage and death than it could save.

We used and are using the worst possible model.
We did not shut down enough to get rid of the virus... and we shutdown long enough to not get us some momentum towards here immunity. We seem to have shutdown long enough to let antibodies disappear.

Pretty fricken stupid model were are running here in CA.

All shutdowns should be based on science and data... which should be transparent.
Tracing clusters and explaining that data would be very useful.



We did not even lock down our borders...
Here4money said:
let me guess, you're against herd immunity and pro shut downs now?
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As govt restrictions age... they become closer to takings.
Over time the govt will have to provide data and reasons for their restrictions / closings.

I am sure some cases will be easy, some closer calls and some the govt will lose....

The longer this goes on the more sensible and narrowly tailored these shutdowns will have to be.


Right now... I don't see how CA can be closing small businesses without providing data showing that Covid is being spread in significant numbers and at small hair cut stores... or small quite restaurants.
Maybe they have the data? I would like to see it.

But, absent data... I don't think a governor can just declare all hair cuts stores should be closed. Not after he had already shut them down for a few months...
Not while its clear a great deal of our hospitalizations are coming from across the border.

I went to the gym today maybe for the last time for months... Will the gym ever reopen?

I would really like to know if Covid is being spread at gyms. I think it could be.... but what I think does not really matter.
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Shouldn't we all have that data by now? Is that not what testing and tracing should be showing? Isn't this the job for a good govt? Now even if there is some spread in a few gyms should the Governor be allowed to order all gyms?


Buy1Sell2 said:
As we have seen with rulings in other courts, judges do not alway rule in favor of Constitutions, whether State or Federal. Regardless of what courts may say, these restrictions are unconstitutional.
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jem said:
what the hell are you talking about?

As I told you shut down supporting morons many times during the shutdown... it was useless after the first few weeks because it was not designed to extinguish the virus only spread it in time to save hospital beds. So once we had the hospital space it was likely doing far more damage and death than it could save.

We used and are using the worst possible model.
We did not shut down enough to get rid of the virus... and we shutdown long enough to not get us some momentum towards here immunity. We seem to have shutdown long enough to let antibodies disappear.

Pretty fricken stupid model were are running here in CA.

All shutdowns should be based on science and data... which should be transparent.
Tracing clusters and explaining that data would be very useful.



We did not even lock down our borders...
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so pivoting towards pro-shutdown, got it.
 
jem said:
As govt restrictions age... they become closer to takings.
Over time the govt will have to provide data and reasons for their restrictions / closings.

I am sure some cases will be easy, some closer calls and some the govt will lose....

The longer this goes on the more sensible and narrowly tailored these shutdowns will have to be.


Right now... I don't see how CA can be closing small businesses without providing data showing that Covid is being spread in significant numbers and at small hair cut stores... or small quite restaurants.
Maybe they have the data? I would like to see it.

But, absent data... I don't think a governor can just declare all hair cuts stores should be closed. Not after he had already shut them down for a few months...
Not while its clear a great deal of our hospitalizations are coming from across the border.

I went to the gym today maybe for the last time for months... Will the gym ever reopen?

I would really like to know if Covid is being spread at gyms. I think it could be.... but what I think does not really matter.
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Shouldn't we all have that data by now? Is that not what testing and tracing should be showing? Isn't this the job for a good govt? Now even if there is some spread in a few gyms should the Governor be allowed to order all gyms?
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You have to be a rabid glue sniffer to be going to the gym these days...Same goes for singing in the choir @ church.
 
jem said:
what the hell are you talking about?

As I told you shut down supporting morons many times during the shutdown... it was useless after the first few weeks because it was not designed to extinguish the virus only spread it in time to save hospital beds. So once we had the hospital space it was likely doing far more damage and death than it could save.

We used and are using the worst possible model.
We did not shut down enough to get rid of the virus... and we shutdown long enough to not get us some momentum towards here immunity. We seem to have shutdown long enough to let antibodies disappear.

Pretty fricken stupid model were are running here in CA.

All shutdowns should be based on science and data... which should be transparent.
Tracing clusters and explaining that data would be very useful.



We did not even lock down our borders...
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What we need is to lockdown all the Democrat Governors and throw away the key. That guarantees, they do not do more harm to Americans everywhere.
 
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