Statistically their numbers are few in South Dakota compared to California. We're counting total numbers not percentages. Try again. The draconian measures don't work and in fact make conditions worse. You're the guy with all the stats. Why don't you show us the how the virus spreads in restaurants compared to private gatherings? Answer. Doesn't fit your pro lockdown narrative, that's why. The spread of the virus is in fact astronomically higher in private gathering than public.
California now has the worst COVID-19 spread in US
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BRILLIANT POSTING----THANK YOU
I'm just asking which stat you are using when you make that call. You could have typed less than the above response by just saying "death per 1M pop" or "cases per 1M pop".
Since you chose to be a blowhard again, I can only assume your data is horseshit and you're being called out on it again. Its a full time job to keep you honest.
Using Worldmeters as the source data, and the most important statistic to judge impact - Deaths per 1M populace - South Dakota isn't the worst. It is ranked #7.
Using cases per 1M populace, it is ranked #2 worst. But deaths are clearly more important.
However, if you want to fudge and use whatever statistics benefit you the most, I'm sure you can obfuscate and pretend you are being accurate. The rest of us don't agree, though.
I am happy to state SD is the worst in a particular statistic if you want to name it. But you can't just make a statement like SD is the worst in the nation with COVID when you don't clarify what you are speaking about.
The effectiveness of public health measures is always measured as a percentage of the population. Trying to measure effectiveness as raw numbers when comparing densely populated states to thinly populated states is absurd.
Yeh, well. You won't see Gavin Newsom swimming in the ocean during covid times, because as W.C. Fields said: I won't drink or go near water because fish fuck in it.
You might see him dining at fancy restaurants though after he has ordered the hoi polloi to stay at home in their mud huts.
Such is the state of leadership in CA.
Wholeheartedly agree. You cannot compare absolute numbers between states for precisely this reason.
You can't police The Home...its a private setting although there's been individual situations (e.g. house parties, street parties) but only after neighbours call in complaints.
The next level (target) is the public gathering in which they try to force the public back into the private gathering setting during a Pandemic. It's just much easier to encourage those in the private gatherings to follow the health guidance rules versus enforcing businesses to follow the health guidance that typically are not the same as the private gatherings.
Those with academic / job training in Public Health Policy will be able to better explain it than I can.
Simply, comparing private gatherings and public / businesses gatherings is like comparing apples to oranges...not an appropriate comparison.
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- It will result in riots, arrest inequality, fines during a Pandemic when you don't want them in jail nor additional financial burden for just living in their own home.
The next level (target) is the public gathering in which they try to force the public back into the private gathering setting during a Pandemic. It's just much easier to encourage those in the private gatherings to follow the health guidance rules versus enforcing businesses to follow the health guidance that typically are not the same as the private gatherings.
Those with academic / job training in Public Health Policy will be able to better explain it than I can.
Simply, comparing private gatherings and public / businesses gatherings is like comparing apples to oranges...not an appropriate comparison.
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There is also needs to be an understanding that comparing the effectiveness of public health policy responses in a pandemic involve taking a current snapshot of numbers and trends. Trying to compare numbers for two regions since the beginning of the pandemic is next to meaningless as a measure of current policy response effectiveness.
Unfortunately, that type of comparison...state versus state, city versus city or country versus country is a common practice and its easy to do. I've done it myself.
In contrast, the public does not have access to other critical or more important info that public health officials have access to make their public health policy recommendations until long after the fact.
I know a few individuals that works as a public health official for the province of Québec, South Dakota and Chicago...all three of them not allow to share info with me. Two of them, college buddies.
Seriously, its not like I'll go online and post about it here at Elitetrader.com before their community knows what's coming down the pipeline.
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Actually, the “draconian“ measures (I would characterize them as Justinian measures) worked well when we did the 6 weeks to bend the curve. We probably needed another 6 week lockdown between mid November Through New Years.