Calendar Spreads

Quote from rallymode:

I see this thread is still going so let me throw in a comment. I havent seen much discussion on delta calendars and i think you guys are missing out. If you have average directional skills you are really wasting your time and efforts trading these ATM time spreads on sub 20 vol tickers. You wait 3 weeks and collect your theta and when you are ready to book gains, the spot gaps on you and forces you to roll and then the waiting game starts all over. That just about sums up 90% of your experiences, doesnt it? :)

Take the calendar and place it OTM into the direction of your signal. I personally prefer puts on rangebound high vol stocks. You play for deltas and vegas while having positive theta. Also, you can shift the balance of the bet according to your forecast by varying the duration. Longer for vega, shorter for delta.

A few caveats to keep in mind:

1. You want to make sure the vols are near the low if not at the low of the recent range while the tenor skew is flat or negative(lower vols in the back months).
2. You want to make sure the vol-smile in the back month is as flat as possible so that you dont overpay in skew. You dont want to gain a few hundred bps in vols and have them wiped out by the skew.
3. It's a vega bet so when trading equities consider the earnings releases and the implications of volatility cycles.

These are also excellent hedges if you tend to carry a lot of short gamma on your sheets. Just something to think about.

Great post , RM. OTM is the way to go , but why high vols stocks are better ? Vols nominal and debit paid are trade offs , no ? And you are missing one (but most important part) in earnings trades...Check out LOW's NOV/DEC otm calendar's prices for the last week , it should give you a hint :)
 
Quote from rallymode:

Take the calendar and place it OTM into the direction of your signal. I personally prefer puts on rangebound high vol stocks. You play for deltas and vegas while having positive theta. Also, you can shift the balance of the bet according to your forecast by varying the duration. Longer for vega, shorter for delta.

I agree with OTM calendar, but why rangebound stocks? If you know it is rangebound, there are many other ways of making money.
 
Quote from yip1997:

Tim,

By looking at your greeks, your multiple calendars are very different from standard calendars. Your negative gamma is too high. A big swing will hurt you even with an increase in IV.

I am saying it for discussion only, and I never traded XLE. It might work out well with XLE because I am not familiar with the characteristics of XLE.

XLE's ATM Nov Puts have a gamma of 0.20 compared to OIH ATM Puts have a gamma of 0.06. Why the big difference? OIH has an IV of 32 while XLE is 25. So the high gamma in my spread is a function of XLE not the position. A similar OIH multi calendar has a gamma of -42.
 
Quote from dqtmg2:

XLE's ATM Nov Puts have a gamma of 0.20 compared to OIH ATM Puts have a gamma of 0.06. Why the big difference? OIH has an IV of 32 while XLE is 25. So the high gamma in my spread is a function of XLE not the position. A similar OIH multi calendar has a gamma of -42.

In looking at it further, XLE ATM Theta is .05 while OIH is .15. So more of the theta has bled out of the XLE position, causing the higher gamma (gamma is the inverse of theta, right?). It looks like to me I should be looking to close the XLE position Monday, while an OIH position could be held onto longer.
 
Quote from IV_Trader:

but why high vols stocks are better ? Vols nominal and debit paid are trade offs , no ? And you are missing one (but most important part) in earnings trades...Check out LOW's NOV/DEC otm calendar's prices for the last week , it should give you a hint :)

IV, didnt say it was better, just that it was personal preference.

I also didnt say it was an earnings strat either. Playing the cyclical effects on vols is a whole other topic that i dont intend to go into. I leave that for you to discuss one day if you so choose. :)
 
Quote from yip1997:

I agree with OTM calendar, but why rangebound stocks? If you know it is rangebound, there are many other ways of making money.

Again, rangebound high vol stocks was a personal preference and it mostly has to do with my signal and the way i like to structure the vega part of the bet. I dont play these for the theta yip.
 
Quote from rallymode:

IV, didnt say it was better, just that it was personal preference.


Got it. Earnings aside , what is your favorable duration , short 30d --> long 60d ?
 
Quote from IV_Trader:

Got it. Earnings aside , what is your favorable duration , short 30d --> long 60d ?

Yep. I mostly play the delta angle so short front month, long next month with 7+ days in the front month.
 
New to those calendars , still testing , but I like what I see so far...Future vols bet aside , it looks to me that best way to enter non-directional trade is :

1. Double long calendar
2. 30d-60d OR 60d-90d
3. OTM or even FOTM (which is not necessary is a lotto ticket)
 
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