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CA bans Gay Marriage
- Thread starter jem
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Most of the conservative "seniors" in the US lived through the racist segregation US society, and yesterday more than 2/3rds of new voters voted for Obama.
The republican party is literally fucked in it's foundations. They have stuck the bill to the younger generations, and the free ride the seniors got as "winners" on exploiting the situation after WWII is not coming back. The boomers will be the last ones enjoying the flashy retirements. Now everyone will have to work for a living.
The republican party is literally fucked in it's foundations. They have stuck the bill to the younger generations, and the free ride the seniors got as "winners" on exploiting the situation after WWII is not coming back. The boomers will be the last ones enjoying the flashy retirements. Now everyone will have to work for a living.
Well said
Quote from jem:
hugh - I see your other posts and i think you are not getting what drives a lot of people to be against gay marriage. This is not a anti gay thing for many. it is a democracy being tested by a movement. Some of us see through the rhetoric and the bullshit and are concerned about the system.
We get concerned when activist judges legislate from the bench
We know that changing laws and definitions creates slippery slopes. (why not 2 women and guy are 20 guys and a women)
We also know this was a part of a radical agenda. We do not like having our culture changed by a bunch with purposeless agendas.
Why do gays need Marriage when they have civil unions? I support of civil unions.
I ask the question - what if my kids choose to be Gay or what if I were.
My answer is - that equality and civil unions are just.
On the question of marriage - majority rule on this subject is the way it should be. I see the proposition as democracy in action.
activists judges attempted to decimate the will of the people. The people spoke.
When a majority wish to have gay marriage.... Then they can attempt to amend or revise the constitution in the appropriate manner - through a vote not the courts.
In my opinion this was a victory for democracy
Quote from Brandonf:
It would be nice if people would learn to understand what they read before they comment on it. He did not say changing laws is a slippery slope, laws are changed all the time. He said changing laws in a court is a dangerous path, nothing about changing laws.
Take your own advice:
Quote from jem:
hugh - I see your other posts and i think you are not getting what drives a lot of people to be against gay marriage. This is not a anti gay thing for many. it is a democracy being tested by a movement. Some of us see through the rhetoric and the bullshit and are concerned about the system.
We get concerned when activist judges legislate from the bench
We know that changing laws and definitions creates slippery slopes. (why not 2 women and guy are 20 guys and a women)
We also know this was a part of a radical agenda. We do not like having our culture changed by a bunch with purposeless agendas.
Why do gays need Marriage when they have civil unions? I support of civil unions.
I ask the question - what if my kids choose to be Gay or what if I were.
My answer is - that equality and civil unions are just.
On the question of marriage - majority rule on this subject is the way it should be. I see the proposition as democracy in action.
activists judges attempted to decimate the will of the people. The people spoke.
When a majority wish to have gay marriage.... Then they can attempt to amend or revise the constitution in the appropriate manner - through a vote not the courts.
In my opinion this was a victory for democracy
Quote from kut2k2:
I can tell you in part what that vote was about. Fourteen years ago we passed Prop 187 which was going to deal with our illegal alien problem in California once and for all. It not only had a majority support of all Californians, it had a majority support within the Latino Californian communities as well. Pinhead outsiders claimed it was racist but it wasn't. Not one of the in-state arguments against Prop 187 mentioned race because they knew they couldn't intellectually justify it. Then some piece-of-shit federal judge said Fuck you, California, I'll decide this issue: No on 187.
I am sick of pos federal judges of the left or the right trying to tell decent citizens how to deal (or NOT deal) with their problems. That's why I voted for Prop 8.
Pete Wilson put so much political capital of his own and the Republican party on Prop 187, they are still paying for it today. The election of Gray Davis was the reaction to the Prop 187 vote. Also freshmen Senator Barbara Boxer was staring at a reelection defeat in the Republican year of 1998. She won the origin election by winning only 47% in 1992, and she was too liberal for California. But thanks to Prop 187, Boxer won reelection by a nice 10% margin that she should have lost. After that it was easy sailing for her in 2004. Likewise, Diane Feinstein nearly lost her senate seat in 1994, squeaking by with a 1% victory. In 2000 she won by a 20% landslide.
Republicans never really recovered after winning the vote on Prop 187.
Anti same sex marriage initiatives failed yesterday NOT because of some evangelical movement but BECAUSE of Obama.
Two points. He OPPOSES gay marriage but MORE SO because of the large black turnout he drew. 58% of Blacks opposed homo marriage in Cal. Also, as on many social issues women were in majority support of homo unions, men not. In fact while the leftist press is already blaming seniors the fact his men as a group (all races and ages) opposed same sex by a slightly higher margin than did older people.
This is exactly the type of shit I hate about the media. You're going to hear incessantly that this was about "old evangelicals" when it was even MORE about black and Latino men. The media will never go there though. Although if you search you'll see a few writers called it for what it was.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbgaymarriage1031sboct31,0,2361938.story
Two points. He OPPOSES gay marriage but MORE SO because of the large black turnout he drew. 58% of Blacks opposed homo marriage in Cal. Also, as on many social issues women were in majority support of homo unions, men not. In fact while the leftist press is already blaming seniors the fact his men as a group (all races and ages) opposed same sex by a slightly higher margin than did older people.
This is exactly the type of shit I hate about the media. You're going to hear incessantly that this was about "old evangelicals" when it was even MORE about black and Latino men. The media will never go there though. Although if you search you'll see a few writers called it for what it was.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbgaymarriage1031sboct31,0,2361938.story
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
Anti same sex marriage initiatives failed yesterday NOT because of some evangelical movement but BECAUSE of Obama.
Two points. He OPPOSES gay marriage but MORE SO because of the large black turnout he drew. 58% of Blacks opposed homo marriage in Cal. Also, as on many social issues women were in majority support of homo unions, men not. In fact while the leftist press is already blaming seniors the fact his men as a group (all races and ages) opposed same sex by a slightly higher margin than did older people.
This is exactly the type of shit I hate about the media. You're going to hear incessantly that this was about "old evangelicals" when it was even MORE about black and Latino men. The media will never go there though. Although if you search you'll see a few writers called it for what it was.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbgaymarriage1031sboct31,0,2361938.story
I read many leftist blogs where prop 8 was blamed on AA turnout, so people know that.
For whatever reason, it was the right decision.
Gays have the right to civil unions, why they want to "marry" is beyond me, their rights are protected within a civil union
...and gay people should work on their image, integrate more within society and stop acting like arrogant pushy dickheads to everybody else, and oh yeah , I'm TIRED of gay lesbian characters in movies/ tv, that makes me more even more relucatant to support gay issues.
CNN exit poll
Vote by Age Yes No
18-29 (20%) 39 61
30-44 (28%) 55 45
45-64 (36%) 54 46
65+ (15%) 61 39
Vote by Age Yes No
18-29 (20%) 39 61
30-44 (28%) 55 45
45-64 (36%) 54 46
65+ (15%) 61 39
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
Anti same sex marriage initiatives failed yesterday NOT because of some evangelical movement but BECAUSE of Obama.
Two points. He OPPOSES gay marriage but MORE SO because of the large black turnout he drew. 58% of Blacks opposed homo marriage in Cal. Also, as on many social issues women were in majority support of homo unions, men not. In fact while the leftist press is already blaming seniors the fact his men as a group (all races and ages) opposed same sex by a slightly higher margin than did older people.
This is exactly the type of shit I hate about the media. You're going to hear incessantly that this was about "old evangelicals" when it was even MORE about black and Latino men. The media will never go there though. Although if you search you'll see a few writers called it for what it was.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbgaymarriage1031sboct31,0,2361938.story
Obama opposes same sex marriage just like 99% of all politicians and legislators do. To be in favor of same sex marriage is political suicide. Niether Gavin Newsome nor Dennis Kucinich have any hope of advancing their political careers any further due in part to their support of same sex marriage.
After it became apparent that McCain was going to win his primary and Obama would win his, I checked both of them for their stances on same sex marriage. Both were very similar, both opposed it. McCain had stated that he is against amending the federal constitution to ban same sex marriage and that he believed it was a state's issue to deal with. Due to McCain's stance on extending Bush's tax cuts, I had decided that McCain would get my vote. However, when prop 8 garnered enough signatures to be put on the ballot, McCain annoucned his support for it. At that point, I switched my vote to Obama.
You are partially incorrect on why prop 8 passed. The evangelical movement played a huge role. Their statewide bus tour concluded here in San Diego where they had such a holy rolling prayer meeting they had to use the football stadium to hold them all. Some of them were so fervent they were praying with tears streaming down their faces. Some even did it Islamic style with their faces in the floor. By contrast, the No on 8 rally was held on a couple of city blocks in San Diego's uptown district.
On the Friday before the election I recieved an email from the San Diego Democratic Club, (an LGBT advocacy group), and they said that they had only raised $225K to the $2M raised by yes on 8.
You guys won, the constitution will be amended, and same sex marriage is no more.
Quote from james_bond_3rd:
CNN exit poll
Vote by Age Yes No
18-29 (20%) 39 61
30-44 (28%) 55 45
45-64 (36%) 54 46
65+ (15%) 61 39
Over the last couple of month I have discussed prop 8 with dozens, probably hundreds, of people. All of them, young and old, every single one said they would vote no. Obviously, many of them lied. Some people just place no value on integrity. I would imagine many of them have anonymous internet handles and they are gloating on their blogs right now about how they defeated those damb queers. I get to look them in the face and watch them squirm though. They won the vote, but I have my integrity, which they lost.