Bye-bye reg T

So basically selling a goog strangle then a few days later buying the wings will not be considered day trading correct? So the "combo to fly" type of trade will be imminently more do-able in a PM? also the reverse calendar.
 
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Is the day trading rule applicable to future, or future options? IB said no.

You can't trade futures or futures options in the PMA account. No reason to really. And you cannot cross margin them.
 
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So basically selling a goog strangle then a few days later buying the wings will not be considered day trading correct? So the "combo to fly" type of trade will be imminently more do-able in a PM? also the reverse calendar.

There is a lot of debate right now as to what constitutes a hedge. The rules on this are very vague and it might be open to the broker for interpretation. There are a lot of angry people that want clarification on exactly how they define a hedge.
 
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So basically selling a goog strangle then a few days later buying the wings will not be considered day trading correct? So the "combo to fly" type of trade will be imminently more do-able in a PM? also the reverse calendar.

RR, as long as you dont adjust/offset intraday, you should have no issues with the PDT rules. Tough luck for intraday gamma scalpers if buying/selling stock isnt considered a hedge but for the rest of us, this should provide plenty of margin relief.

The collar guys at optionetics will be pissed. :D
 
Quote from rallymode:

RR, as long as you dont adjust/offset intraday, you should have no issues with the PDT rules. Tough luck for intraday gamma scalpers

RM , why ?
 
Quote from IV_Trader:

RM , why ?

Well after reading the SEC document, i am starting to believe that mav is right about the $5 million req to escape PDT. So unless your broker considers you flipping stock against a combo to be hedging(taking risk away from) the initial position, you cannot do more than 3 intraday adjustments in a weeks time frame. Notice, this shouldnt be a concern if you carry your extra deltas overnight.

That is my understanding. I say we wait and see on the definition of hedge.
 
Quote from rallymode:

Well after reading the SEC document, i am starting to believe that mav is right about the $5 million req to escape PDT. So unless your broker considers you flipping stock against a combo to be hedging(taking risk away from) the initial position, you cannot do more than 3 intraday adjustments in a weeks time frame. Notice, this shouldnt be a concern if you carry your extra deltas overnight.

That is my understanding. I say we wait and see on the definition of hedge.

I see...thanks , RM
Man , its depressing...how anyone can spin a long stock + long ATM put as "unhedged" position ?
 
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