Bye bye ASML & TSMC! China now makes its own lithography machines

mervyn said:
small price yo pay to see what’s inside.
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Yeah, just 250 million $ to find out nothing and be left with a huge amount of metal scrap that does not function anymore.
To ship just one machine they need 5 jumbo jets to load it.
 
Communist China's one party system has gotten them only so far. Ahead of Russia fah dam sur but only 2nd best, if that. Before long IMO India will put them in their rearview mirror.

When it comes to leaders - value added is where it is at and China is not that. They have aspirations to get there but too much top down gubmint control will stymie them. Just like every other country's (or empire) failed attempt at it.
 
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virtusa said:
Yeah, just 250 million $ to find out nothing and be left with a huge amount of metal scrap that does not function anymore.
To ship just one machine they need 5 jumbo jets to load it.
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the money would come out from whoever’s r&d budget, if there’s a budget for the dissembling of a new machine, then it is not a waste. alternative they can dissemble an old machine, but that wouldn’t be state of the art.
 
earth_imperator said:
https://techwireasia.com/2023/08/the-first-28nm-lithography-machine-in-china-this-year/
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China is anticipating its first 28nm lithography machine by the end of 2023
By Dashveenjit Kaur | 4 August, 2023

    • Shanghai Micro Electronics Equipment is expected to deliver its proprietary SSA/800-10W, a 28-nm lithography machine, by year’s end.
    • The significant technological breakthroughs are spurring hopes the
      can lessen its reliance on US semiconductor techniques.
In 2020, China was sure it was on track to make its own 28nm chips by late 2021 and 20nm chips by early 2023 – all without recourse to US fabrication technology and equipment. The confidence was attributed to progress at Shanghai Micro Electronic Equipment (SMEE) in developing ultraviolet (UV) based lithographic technology. Its first Chinese-assembled 28nm lithography machine was scheduled for customer delivery by the fourth quarter of 2021.

Regrettably, the US, Japan, and the Netherlands started imposing restrictions on Chinese companies on the sales of advanced wafer fab equipment, which hindered the progress of the state-owned SMEE. Chipmaking gear is regarded as among the weakest links in China’s semiconductor supply chain, an area currently dominated by firms including ASML Holding NV and Tokyo Electron Ltd.

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See also:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/chinese-lithography-firm-to-debut-28nm-capable-scanner-report
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Chinese Firm's 'Breakthrough' 28nm Chipmaking Tool to Debut Soon: Report
By Anton Shilov, published 2 days ago
SMEE reportedly makes significant lithography breakthrough.

Shanghai Micro Electronics Equipment Group (SMEE), a state-backed firm, is on track to reveal its first scanner capable of producing chips on a 28nm process technology by the end of 2023, state-controlled the Global Times reports. The machine could help China reduce its dependency on foreign wafer fab equipment, Bloomberg noted.

SMEE is aiming to introduce the first domestically produced SSA/800-10W lithography machine to the market by the end of 2023, which would be a major breakthrough for the company, which currently only produces scanners good enough for 90nm nodes and older. The litho scanner is expected to use locally developed and produced components, which is why the stock price of China-based optical components manufacturers Mloptic, Kingsemi, and Castech were up on Wednesday.

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And we already know how it will turn out. It'll just be another Huawei, ripping off other companies' IPs. But only that when it's not a true replica, you can expect something like this to happen.

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schizo said:
And we already know how it will turn out. It'll just be another Huawei, ripping off other companies' IPs. But only that when it's not a true replica, you can expect something like this to happen.

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remember tesla buring multiple vehicles in the past, now haven't read any buring cars from them, perhaps battery tech indeed is improving.
 
lwlee said:
It's actually frightening how fast the Chinese are able to innovate and bring products to the markets. Like Tim Cook said, Apple didn't go to China to get the cheapest labor which was how the moniker "Made in China" used to connote poor quality, they went there to get the expertise. Today, the speed of knowledge spreads so fast through the internet, people all around the globe can get up to speed incredibly quickly on the latest innovations. The Chinese seem to have a leg up in turning those ideas into working products.
Back in 2009 when I was at Citi as a tech developer, I remembered we had a team in Dailian. It was sometimes shocking at how quickly they could turn around code development. I told a colleague we would be out of job if the communication layer was better.
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No make no mistake about it. Apple went to China to get the cheapest labour. The "Made in China" moniker may not connote poor quality anymore as China did make big strides in improving the quality of its products but the biggest selling point of outsourcing to China is still its cheap labour due to its large population.
 
TheDawn said:
No make no mistake about it. Apple went to China to get the cheapest labour. The "Made in China" moniker may not connote poor quality anymore as China did make big strides in improving the quality of its products but the biggest selling point of outsourcing to China is still its cheap labour due to its large population.
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Oh yeah, the cheap labor is still a factor but China is quickly figuring out how to optimize the game. Temu is a direct response to Amazon. Bunch of people figure out that drop shipping items from China on Amazon site was profitable so Temu (Alibaba/Aliexpress) said let's ratchet it up a notch.

AI/Crypto and recently LK99, China has been the quickest to get results.
 
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