But what about copper ?

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Who was that trader Surf ? RK looks like they've done very well.
And thanks for this tid-bit:

No question, this occurred first quarter 2012. But since then, Copper has gone nowhere and now looks to be breaking down...even in light of a strong US housing market.
If $3.28 is taken out, it may even break below $3.00.

Farmer-- he got creamed in 2008-- then, after we redeemed, the fund came roaring back--- the timing could not have been worse--- I shake and get panicky now every time I see a penny....

surf

PS it was unreal, seemed like a cant' lose situation with him owning the supply chain--- but man, I was in for a big surprise!

PS-- can we expect you and the philly contingent at the surf fest this year?



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Farmer-- he got creamed in 2008-- then, after we redeemed, the fund came roaring back--- the timing could not have been worse--- I shake and get panicky now every time I see a penny....

PS it was unreal, seemed like a cant' lose situation with him owning the supply chain--- but man, I was in for a big surprise!

PS-- can we expect you and the philly contingent at the surf fest this year?
Unbelievable....again, markets will do that. They take you out, and then they go in your direction.
The Philly trading contingent is no more. We had a tiny get-together 2 years ago in Manayunk...and that was it. I'd love to meet up though. I've now gotten involved with a new start-up that is doing tick data farming, co-location, and stat-arb.
 
Copper down again today. This has got to be a vote on weak demand from China and a stable supply outlook.
It broke $3.50 today at the open. However, I see no strong support till $3.40.
Shorts have got to be careful here....it's come down a long way in a short period of time.
 
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Farmer-- he got creamed in 2008-- then, after we redeemed, the fund came roaring back--- the timing could not have been worse--- I shake and get panicky now every time I see a penny....
surf
Here it is Surf - I see what happened - WOW !

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Red Kite Metals surged 188 percent in 2006 on the back of a global commodities boom, according to investors. It then plunged 50 percent in 2007, rebounded with a 19.8 percent rise in 2008, then fell 0.9 percent in 2009 and 25 percent more in 2010, when Red Kite’s bet that copper would decline proved premature.

Clients fled the metals fund, reducing assets to $200 million as of November, investors say.

Farmer says that from 2008 to 2010, the U.S. Federal Reserve buoyed markets, including those for commodities, by pouring billions of dollars into the economy. At the same time, he says, analysts mistook China’s aggressive buying of copper as a sign that its construction boom was continuing, when in fact the Chinese were stockpiling the metal.

The sluggish world economy makes Farmer a pessimist.

“We are not very positive about things,” he says. “The world is in a bad place. We are still fighting to recover from a very serious recession, and I think it is going to go on for another four or five years.”

 
Weak, weak rebound in Copper today on Chinese yuan currency strength and currency strength from Japan. US Housing report also very positive.
This pig is having a hard time flying.
 
Copper jumped up out-of-the-gate today. Once again, it failed to hold gains and went in the direction of the US equity market....straight down.
Anyone getting the feeling that this guy is getting highly correlated to the S&P 500 index ?
 
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Anyone getting the feeling that this guy is getting highly correlated to the S&P 500 index ?
Indeed ! Up today by almost 4 cents.
 
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Entire rally of yesterday now gone at the open !
This is screaming: "I'm weak".
And it was. Copper has broken the 3.50 mark on the downside.
Net up: 3.40 and that level is HUGE for any bulls left standing.
 
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Nice trade Handle ! Futures or Options ?
Copper, up till this week, was painting a bullish cup-with-handle chart pattern. No more.
Unless the helicopter takes off or China starts buying again, this guy is going down even more.

I only trade Copper long term, sometimes will use options to hedge if I first enter on a Thursday/Friday, otherwise I try not to use them.
 
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