True, he even tried to dispute it. So much so, in fact, that he said Egypt only gets millions when it gets billions.
And how is it that Egypt needs it and Israel doesn't?
And what has Egypt done for the US??
So many DOUBLE STANDARDS!!
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Bush's Policy Change Angers Palestinians
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True, he even tried to dispute it. So much so, in fact, that he said Egypt only gets millions when it gets billions.
And how is it that Egypt needs it and Israel doesn't?
And what has Egypt done for the US??
So many DOUBLE STANDARDS!!
Quote from Copernicus:
are you saying they attacked us because we are a democracy and live in freedom?
like i mentioned before there are countless other countries that live the same way and have no problems with terrorists, isnt that true?
you cited Australia, and actually they are under threat.
But also, they target the US most because the US is the biggest, followed by Europe. If you hate something, go after the biggest, go after the most symbolic, go after what is often the source (since we promote, as well as practice, democracy).
ONE man ? Above all a mad man ? No it wasn't ONE single man because you just forget something: to make a revolution there is a need for HUGE QUANTITY OF MONEY ! And who financed Nazism / Palestinian Terrorism (and also before Bolchevism http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspiracy/The_Rockefeller_File9-11.htm) ? From well reknown historian Antony C. Sutton
http://www.engineering-shop.com/Wall_Street_and_the_Rise_of_Hitler_0892450045.html
Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler
by Authors: Antony C. Sutton
"This book is very detailed. So much so that it is easy to get lost in the facts. However, the detail is needed to support the subject.
Mr. Sutton leaves the reader very angry with the "powers to be" for sacrificing the lives of so many in WWII for the sake of money. The reader discovers most of the horrors of this war could have been avoided.
He makes the danger of the Council of Foreign Relations more real.
This is a must read for everyone, especially if you are a believer in the Constitution of the U.S.
Be sure to read Appendix A.
Jerry
"
http://www.engineering-shop.com/Wall_Street_and_the_Rise_of_Hitler_0892450045.html
Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler
by Authors: Antony C. Sutton
"This book is very detailed. So much so that it is easy to get lost in the facts. However, the detail is needed to support the subject.
Mr. Sutton leaves the reader very angry with the "powers to be" for sacrificing the lives of so many in WWII for the sake of money. The reader discovers most of the horrors of this war could have been avoided.
He makes the danger of the Council of Foreign Relations more real.
This is a must read for everyone, especially if you are a believer in the Constitution of the U.S.
Be sure to read Appendix A.
Jerry
"
Quote from I Missed Boat:
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Quote from axeman:
"When Hitler was gaining power and promoting an agenda of racism and military dominance, Winston Churchill urged his country and others to take preemptive action and remove Hitler from power. Many argued that we should not mettle in Germanyâs affairs, that we should instead strive for peace. Hitler was allowed to continue his quest, and 50 million people ultimately died because of one manâs evil quest for power. Some argue that it could have been avoided with preemptive action. That is why Churchill called WWII the "unnecessary war," feeling it could have been prevented years earlier with far less bloodshed.
"Churchill once told Roosevelt that he thought WWII should be called, "The Unnecessary War." He also said, "There never was a war more easy to stop than that which has just wrecked what was left for the world from the previous struggle." That this lesson has now been learned is not assured. The world powers are still prone to short term fixes, leaving volatile situations unsolved and unstable, possible flash points that could once again explode into violence, pulling the world into yet another conflict. "
How soon we forget.
To those who think we should just pull out of everywhere
and not "mettle" in other peoples business, please
address this issue.
Will the next Hitler be an islamic fundy? Hmmmmmm.....
Im with 50 cent....this is basically a war of philosophies.
They hate everything about our way of life.
Should we leave them alone until they become super powers?
Think this will save more lives in the long run?
peace
axeman
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Exactly. Our biggest danger is appeasement.
Quote from Copernicus:
listen buddy u have a problem with the Arabs, and thanks to you we do to!
Uh, didn't bin Laden cite as his number one reason why he preached terrorism cause we had troops in Saudi Arabia? Don't they constantly cite our democratic, capitalist, and open ways as reasons why they hate the West in general and the US in particular? The answer is YES! As some people did a good job of pointing out earlier, Israel could disappear today and we'd still be dealing with terrorists/fundamentalists.
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And it's the same country that supports dictators in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan accused by international watchdogs of tortures on political opponents. Guess why it is so? Answer: The US has military bases in these countries. Can you spell 'Hypocrisy'? It does not spell the same as 'America' but there is no difference in meaning. And BTW, no humanitarian action gives you the right to wage wars. And no, without the freedom movements in the former Soviet block, most notably the Solidarity movement in Poland, you would not have had the Berlin Wall demise. You take too much credit for all that. The US did not succeed in Vietnam, it would not have succeeded with the former Soviet block if it were not for internal freedom movements and that's precisely the reason why it will not succeed in Iraq. Freedom eventually triumphs. Always.
The US has hijacked the notion of freedom for its political purposes just as Israel and Zionists have hijacked the notion of Holocaust. Freedom is possible without America, just as Holocaust has happened to other nations even during WWII. Some of these nations actually put out a good fight against Nazis which is probably the main reason why they do not suffer from the victim syndrom now and did not make their own Holocausts into a religion.
Freedom-yes, American and Israeli hypocrisy-no!
One of the lone and sane comments amid a sea of arrogant, chest thumbing and one sided opinions. Save your breath, it's a waste of time trying to have a fair and balanced discussion on this topic since some of the posters are completely stuck in their mental mode of propagating through a self-righteous, one-way moral/legal screen positive images of their own values and innocence that are threatened, validating anything, even campaigns of unrestricted violence.....
You know what ? I'm not desperate about the world situation, I am desesperate about the behavior of the huge majority of people: it seems that almost nobody really cares about facts and history, it seems as if almost everybody considers that what it is happening today is like random walk. You don't believe in Random Walk in Stock Market do you ? You believe that some patterns and cycles just repeat because the same causes the same effects, then why don't you do the same thing for Real Life ? Thruth researchers from left (economist Galbraith) to right (Milton Friedman), from jew(John Loftus) to catholics (Antony Sutton), are pointing towards the same direction and you don't want to look : so what will happen when people don't want to take into account true Reality ? Don't forget you have many dozens years to live like me, it's nothing compared to millenars of history but you are talking about your very future life and the one of your family. If you continue to be blind what is foreseen will happen.
I am really sick of seeing complacency and hate without any discernment. I'm going to live this forum for a while because of that.
I am really sick of seeing complacency and hate without any discernment. I'm going to live this forum for a while because of that.
This is what your sane electron said about the Holocaust in another post :Quote from quant:
One of the lone and sane comments amid a sea of arrogant, chest thumbing and one sided opinions....
I would not hesitate to put a bullet through that scumbag's head. Supposedly, of course.Quote from electron:
By the same token, Jews, who were 'supposedly' killed en masse during the WWII Holocaust should really thank Nazis for this as this gave rise to a tremendous Holocaust industry.
I am against Palestinians blowing themselves up and killing many innocent civilians in the process. They will not achieve anything positive by doing so. I doubt though that at this point they actually expect to achieve anything; I think their actions may be the result of absolute desperation and loss of desire to live.
I think Arafat is a grumpy, old, useless man who should have been removed from his position long time ago and replaced by someone less emotional and more rational and pragmatic.
I have one question for all the pro-Israeli contributors to this thread: What should the Palestinians do to fight back the illegal occupation?
International law, the UN, countless UN resolutions calling for Israel to stop the building of settlements, most Western countries denouncing Israeli actions is not stopping Israel from doing as it pleases. Why did Israel continue to build the settlements when even the US sponsored roadmap called for them to be stopped? I guess because it can, because it is in the position of power. We, the US, give it the most sophisticated weaponry in the world to the tune of USD 2 Bil per year in addition to hefty <a href="http://go-advertising.com?go=loan" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: loan';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">loan</a> guarantees.
Further I think, Israel is entitled to build the security wall for its protection; but why does it not use its own land for that purpose.
I also think that Israel is entitled to worry about its neighbors acquiring nuclear weapons. But why is it ok for Israel to have them?
The denial of the right of return is a painful issue to the Palestinians, but I sympathize with Israel. The population growth rates of Arabs and Israelis are such that the Israel would not be able to remain a Jewish state if they allowed it.
Finally I think that Bush endorsing Israel to keep the 6 settlements in the West Bank sets a very dangerous precedent: "be our friend, preferably be located somewhere near the oil, occupy the piece of land that is not yours, build settlements, ignore the law for a while and in the end you'll be awarded to keep it, because the world will just have to 'recognize the new realities on the ground and in the region'".
I think Arafat is a grumpy, old, useless man who should have been removed from his position long time ago and replaced by someone less emotional and more rational and pragmatic.
I have one question for all the pro-Israeli contributors to this thread: What should the Palestinians do to fight back the illegal occupation?
International law, the UN, countless UN resolutions calling for Israel to stop the building of settlements, most Western countries denouncing Israeli actions is not stopping Israel from doing as it pleases. Why did Israel continue to build the settlements when even the US sponsored roadmap called for them to be stopped? I guess because it can, because it is in the position of power. We, the US, give it the most sophisticated weaponry in the world to the tune of USD 2 Bil per year in addition to hefty <a href="http://go-advertising.com?go=loan" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: loan';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">loan</a> guarantees.
Further I think, Israel is entitled to build the security wall for its protection; but why does it not use its own land for that purpose.
I also think that Israel is entitled to worry about its neighbors acquiring nuclear weapons. But why is it ok for Israel to have them?
The denial of the right of return is a painful issue to the Palestinians, but I sympathize with Israel. The population growth rates of Arabs and Israelis are such that the Israel would not be able to remain a Jewish state if they allowed it.
Finally I think that Bush endorsing Israel to keep the 6 settlements in the West Bank sets a very dangerous precedent: "be our friend, preferably be located somewhere near the oil, occupy the piece of land that is not yours, build settlements, ignore the law for a while and in the end you'll be awarded to keep it, because the world will just have to 'recognize the new realities on the ground and in the region'".