Bush's Policy Change Angers Palestinians

[Copernicus]

Quote from dgabriel:

It is. Name one country that is sending men in to fight Israel's battles.

In fact, not one country has ever sent troops into Israel to fight it's battles.

So you mean, give them no aid.

Just let them twist in the wind and let the Arabs overrun them I think is a bad idea and I am happy Washington supports them.

You are going about it backwards. YOu should argue to the Arabs that if only they would make peace with Israel, then we would not have to fashion aid packages for Israel.

how are the arabs going to overrun israel? israel has nukes and far superior military if they wanted they could take take of the problem very quickly. dont get me wrong i am not supporting either side, i am well aware that most of palestinians are scumbags and even fellow arab countries dont want any more of them in their jails.
my point is why does the US so blatantly support Israel?
alllow them to clean up their own backyard and focus on our land.

 

[I Missed Boat]

Quote from 50 cent:

I have to say one thing. The israel-palestinian conflict, regardless of who is to blame, does not account for the entire Islam - West problem.

Even if the israel-palestinian conflict will be resolved, even in a way that the palestinians would be extremely pleased, you still have the much much bigger problem - the cultural clash between west and islam.
The fundamentalists of the islam will not be appeased once the palestinian problem is resolved. the palestinians are considered the underdog of the arab world, and they are considered so by the arabs themselves, not by the jewish. the arab fundamentalists use them only as an excuse. the real reason for the hate is the cultural conflict which is by far more vast. the capitalist west and the fundamental islam see the world through entirely different eyes. the israel-pali problem is nothing but a drop in the sea.

even if israel is completely annihilated, and even if the US draws all troops from all arab countries, you will still have terrorist acts - and this time it will be because women in the west dress too promiscuously. And so on, and so on. it is a cultural clash that has been neglected for generations, and the world will now pay the price, and it will not be resolved in our life time.

Absolutely true!

 

[I Missed Boat]

Quote from Copernicus:

kashmir conflict , of course israel has nothing do that with that.

And Russia, Sudan, Lebanon not long ago, Phillipines, Sri Lanka, China, etc etc. And then there are those little church bombings and massacres in places like Pakistan. hmmm

 

[I Missed Boat]

Quote from Copernicus:

thats exactly why we shouldnt get involved, let islam live in the 17th century world, dont try to impose democracy and freedom on them. they dont want it, they have lived that way for centuries
there should only be a clash between israelis and the arabs, and i am sure israelis would do fine. why is it israel + us vs arabs?
we got dragged into this and its a fu.. mess.

" you will still have terrorist acts - and this time it will be because women in the west dress too promiscuously." cmon thats not true !

WHAT DO YOU MEAN NOT TRUE?? bin Laden is calling for terrorist acts against France for banning head scarves in school. He isn't pushing for political marches, civil disobedience, political participation and resolutions. No, he is calling for terrorism and the killing of innocent peoples to "protest." Where do you think it will end?

 

[Turok]

I'm confused Copernicus...on one hand you say that the US shouldn't support Israel, let them "clean up there own backyard" in your words, and in the same post you say that if we back away that they will not be "overrun" because "Israel has nukes and a far superior military".

Why do you think it is that they have a far superior military? You can't logically use their military might as an excuse NOT to support them because their military might has a direct correlation to our support.

Oh well, it's clear that logic get's left behind in much of what you say.

JB

Quote from Copernicus:

how are the arabs going to overrun israel? israel has nukes and far superior military if they wanted they could take take of the problem very quickly. dont get me wrong i am not supporting either side, i am well aware that most of palestinians are scumbags and even fellow arab countries dont want any more of them in their jails.
my point is why does the US so blatantly support Israel?
alllow them to clean up their own backyard and focus on our land.

 

[Turok]

Quote from I Missed Boat:

And Russia, Sudan, Lebanon not long ago, Phillipines, Sri Lanka, China, etc etc. And then there are those little church bombings and massacres in places like Pakistan. hmmm

Of course he is also conveniently forgetting about the Australian resort bombing in Bali a year or so ago.

JB

 

[I Missed Boat]

Quote from Gringinho:

splphil, trying to say that "unfortunately" some babies get killed - but accidentially by one side - and deliberately by the other side just shows you are totally biased. How does blowing up a bus/cafe etc. differ from letting a busy street or apartment building ride a rocket/missile ?

As far as I can remember both sides of this conflict uses "logic" about how these babies and kids will grow up into "jewish devils" or "palestinian terrorists". Extremists on both sides are dangerously crazy morons. Islamic fundamentalists have just as crazy attitudes as many orthodox jews or militant christians in my views.

I remember some years ago when news cameras caught israeli IDF soldiers breaking the arms and fingers of youths throwing stones from a hillside - strangely that was better times there than nowadays. Stupid politicians in the region - israeli and palestinian as well as US politicians are all at fault for todays crisis - not to mention those who elected - and still continues to support them.

Actually, devout Jews and Christians do not teach that God hates others and wants all others killed. Palestinians and extreme Muslums teach this in their freaking text books for crying out loud!

 

[I Missed Boat]

Quote from Copernicus:

israel has a nuclear weapon and highly trained military force.
if they wanted they could take out the entire arab world within minutes.

Which just goes to show the difference. If many of these Arab governments had the nuke, especially awhile back, and Israel didn't, most wouldn't have hesitated to use it.

 

[johnk49]

Quote from I Missed Boat:

The Nazis weren't really using religion. In fact, Hitler didn't trust the church.

Vietnam and Korea were political tragedies (over Communism), as terrible as they were (and N. Korea still is). We were talking about intolerance regarding religion. Perhaps I should have made myself more clear.

Yes you are right,Hitler didn't trust the church but that didn't stop him(as a Catholic)saying that by killing the Jews he was doing the work of God.Muslim fanatics who say the same in the name of their religion are no different!!

I'm a Muslim and I would never dream of harming any living creature and there are billions of Mulims like me.

Why is it that when a Christian or a Jew does something evil in the name of their religion it is simply because they are bad individuals,but when a muslim does the same it is because the whole lot are evil?

 

[Copernicus]

Quote from Turok:

I'm confused Copernicus...on one hand you say that the US shouldn't support Israel, let them "clean up there own backyard" in your words, and in the same post you say that if we back away that they will not be "overrun" because "Israel has nukes and a far superior military".

Why do you think it is that they have a far superior military? You can't logically use their military might as an excuse NOT to support them because their military might has a direct correlation to our support.

Oh well, it's clear that logic get's left behind in much of what you say.

JB

Political support on international arena. the F16s, nukes cant be taken back.