Bush's Policy Change Angers Palestinians

Quote from pspr:

Freedom fighters don't target civilians and innocent women and children.

sure they do. when the Valley Forge boys didn't have enough bullets to fire guns, they tarred and feathered civilians.
 
The timeline is a different issue.

He thumbed his nose at the cease fire agreement for 10+ years.
He had plenty of time to comply, more than enough.

9/11 made things a bit different. Saddam had WMD's, that is a fact.

After he started violating his agreements, we had no way of
knowing if he still had them, built new ones, or whatever,
because he blocked inspections.

9/11 was a wakeup call to what terrorists were willing to do.
The US feared that Saddam, WHO HATES US, and the terrorists
WHO HATE US, would join forces and do something worse than 9/11.

We weren't willing to leave it up to the "word' of a psychopath.

So we enforced the ceasefire agreement from the war we won with Iraq.

The WMDs were not there. But thats irrelevant. We had to make sure.


End of story.


The core issue, however, is, what should foreign
policy, in general terms, be? Involvement or uninvolvement?

The consequences of uninvolvement have already been
proven by WWII. 50 million dead.

Still waiting to hear a rational argument for the other side
from you. So far... nothing but dodges.



peace

axeman


Quote from Copernicus:

sure it took 20 yrs
we could have waited with saddam too, especially that he didnt have any weapons
 
This would be true IF WE KNEW he didnt have any weapons.
But he blocked inspections.

**HE** pressed the issue all the way war.

peace

axeman




Quote from Copernicus:

sure it took 20 yrs
we could have waited with saddam too, especially that he didnt have any weapons
 
Quote from Copernicus:

thats the same policy that sends billions not "millions" to Israel.
thats the only policy i'm complaining about.


Also: we owe Israel some serious gratitude for taking out Bushehr in 1981. Or was it Osirak? I forget the name...
 
Quote from darkhorse:

Can't happen, world is too small.

We have strong ideological ties to Israel based on unbreakable political and religious bonds.

Even if the government cut off all foreign aid (which would be fine with me), Israel would still get billions in private donations from the US, and they would still get moral support from the US, both of which are also fine by me.

Because of this, terrorists would still be using Israel as an excuse to hate the USA even if Uncle Sam didn't lift a finger for them.

Not to mention that helping out your friends and fighting terrorists is the right thing to do. The entire world will be better off when these jihadi a-holes lose their grip on the middle east. Force and resolve are the only language they will listen to.

p.s. we send billions to Egypt too. Lot of gratitude it buys us.

just what exactly are those "ideological ties to Israel based on unbreakable political and religious bonds" what % of Americans are jewish? Private donations are fine no problem there but why should US tax payers pay the other billions? Egypt is not getting billions, u exagerrated a little there.
 
what's with the churchill worship in here? his own people kicked his loony ass out first chance they had. lest we forget, churchill was the prime architect of what turned out to be the cold war, and all the untold horrific consequeneces thereof. without churchill, the US and USSR *make*peace* immediately after the crushing of germany. how much suffering would that have avoided?

whatever good churchill may have arguably done, his net effect on the world was extremely negative. he was a hateful, racist, imperialistic self important politician - nothing more, nothing less.
 
Quote from darkhorse:

p.s. we send billions to Egypt too. Lot of gratitude it buys us.

Interesting how these people aren't mentioning that, eh Darkhorse? Of course NOW they would come out and say they're against that too, but still interesting how it didn't bother them that much until now...
 
Quote from darkhorse:

Also: we owe Israel some serious gratitude for taking out Bushehr in 1981. Or was it Osirak? I forget the name...

:-) pliz,they owe us for us allowing their spies to basically stealing our nuke blueprints
 
What Churchill worship? He had a valid point about WWII.
Nothing more.

peace

axeman



Quote from damir00:

what's with the churchill worship in here? his own people kicked his loony ass out first chance they had. lest we forget, churchill was the prime architect of what turned out to be the cold war, and all the untold horrific consequeneces thereof. without churchill, the US and USSR *make*peace* immediately after the crushing of germany. how much suffering would that have avoided?

whatever good churchill may have arguably done, his net effect on the world was extremely negative. he was a hateful, racist, imperialistic self important politician - nothing more, nothing less.
 
Quote from axeman:

This would be true IF WE KNEW he didnt have any weapons.
But he blocked inspections.

**HE** pressed the issue all the way war.

peace

axeman

what do u mean, the international agency DIDNT FIND ANYTHING, we went it anyway citing our own intellignece
 
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