Bush's Plan to conquer...errrr.....liberate Iraq

I think that the numerous, posts from "Euro Traders" indicate HUGELY ILLOGICAL THOUGHT.

We Americans are not very good at being imperialists, as hard as the Euros try and force that false claim on us.

Lets compare the track records of in 1940s of Germany, and the Soviet Union of the post war era.

The United States has a track record of being very MAGNANIMOUS in our "Occupations".

Imperialism implies we occupy and colonalize every country that we are in.

So whats the record?

United States Vs Germany -

Germany invades all of Europe during WWII, employs military rule , rounds up certain "ethnic groups" and sends them to concentration camps in eastern Europe. Stays until forced out by the U.S. and Allied Forces. Said War is financed by the U.S. and lets face it most of Europe would be speaking Russian or German if we had not stepped in.

We could also have stayed out of the War and saved alot of resources and American Lives and let Europe become Nazi or Communist.

The United States Record of "Occupation" after WWII.

1. US helps rebuild Germany (as well as the rest or Europe) under the Marshall Plan, and also helps defend against Soviet Invasion for over 40 years. The Billions we spent was never repaid.

Germany is left free and prosperous, and under their own government.

The United States helps defend Western Europe from Soviet threats for 50 years, at a cost of BILLIONS of Dollars.

By the way how much has EUROPE helped the United States?
Did any European country come to our aid, or help us with our defense?


2. Japan - US helps rebuild Japan under the Marshall Plan and is left free and prosperous under their own government.

3. Recent History - Kuwait - US leads allied coilition forces to free Kuwait and leaves Kuwait under it own government.

Bottom Line the best thing to happen to any country is a US Occupation, we help a country get back on its feet and return the country to the leadership of their own government.

Even though the US has the might and power to occupy and rob the country of it's resources and turn them into a slave state with a "Puppet Government", the United States, has not chosen to do so, and as far as I know there is not another country on the face of the earth that has done what the United States has done to rebuild war torn countries devastated by major conflict.

Europeans easily forget what has been done for them by the U.S.

What has Europe done to help the United States?

Quote from Sgt Strykyer, from the movie, Sands of Iwo Jima,
" Life is hard, but it is harder for STUPID PEOPLE"

Europeans are acting incredibly STUPID.

The United States is home to well mannered and reasonable people, mostly, but "if you ram 3 airliners into our buildings" and kill the same number of people as we lost at PEARL HARBOR, guess what, we take ACTION, we don't sit and depend on the UNITED NATIONS or European Allies to approve of our actions.

We gave the United Nations a chance and they passed a resolution, and this was a pure act of kindness on the part of President Bush, because the United Nations, has ZERO forces to enforce anything. The sole enforcer for the United Nations is the United States.

The only reason the United Nations exists is due to United States support, otherwise it would have been disbanded and bankrupt years ago.

As far as Iraq, the Iraqi people pray for the day that we start the war, they will never be rid of Saddam unless we take action, but never the less we are taking action because Saddam H. will have nuclear weapons in years, maybe even months, and Europe and the Middleast will be in range of his weapons way before the United States.

Europeans are wimpy, looking for a free ride and the protection of the United States, without paying any price for it.

European support for us is just WINDOW DRESSING anyway, the whole continent of EUROPE couldn't field one single Armored Division or Carrier Battle Group to support any action in the Middleast any way.

We don't need WIMPY ALLIES afraid of their own SHADOW.

Europe does not count anymore, the Euro Dollar is not working.

Europe is nothing more than a bunch of tiny thankless countries who have no direction and no future.

Europe has no clue of the friend they had in the United States.

Socialism will destroy Europe.

The United States should let Europe go their own way, the United States should get out of NATO, stop all aid to Europe and let the Eurpeans protect themselves.
 
Another 800 or so Dow points and he's a one term loser like his father and everybody can relax. Even his own people will cut him loose.

Geo.:)
 
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The United States should let Europe go their own way, the United states should get out of NATO, stop all aid to Europe and let the Eurpeans protect themselces.

concur ... Yankee go home !

regards

wild
 
Germany blocks the road to war
by James Bone, Richard Beeston and Charles Bremner

GERMANY will use its power as incoming president of the UN Security Council to try to head off war with Iraq by asking the chief weapons inspectors to report twice in three weeks, The Times has learnt.
The surprise German effort to buy time appeared to be aimed at defusing the tension that is building around the chief inspector’s public report to the 15-nation council on Monday.

Germany fears that President Bush could use Hans Blix’s report — and his own State of the Union speech on Tuesday — as a trigger for war. It is therefore proposing bringing the inspectors back for a second assessment on February 14, having invited them to Berlin beforehand.

Berlin’s diplomatic move was launched as the allies’ simmering dispute over Iraq exploded into a heated row. The French and German leaders vowed to use all their influence to stop the war, while Washington and London fumed that efforts to disarm President Saddam Hussein were being undermined at a critical stage. Behind the scenes ministers on both sides were involved in angry exchanges.

President Chirac confirmed the impression of a looming clash with Washington and London by announcing that he and the German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder had agreed a common stand on Iraq. “Any decision belongs to the UN Security Council and to it alone, speaking after having heard the report of the arms inspectors, in conformity with the resolutions it has adopted,” he said after a Franco-German Cabinet meeting in the Elysée Palace. For us . . . war is always an admission of failure and the worst of all solutions. Everything should be done to avoid it.” Herr Schröder, in Paris to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Franco-German friendship treaty, said: “We agreed completely to harmonise our positions as closely as possible to find a peaceful solution to the Iraq crisis.”

He had earlier told cheering Social Democrat supporters that he would not vote in favour of “a resolution that legitimises war”. Germany, which assumes the Security Council presidency in February, will either vote against a war-enabling resolution or abstain.

Tony Blair hit back instantly by warning that Britain would be prepared to take military action against Iraq with or without a second UN Security Council resolution. “We would support it (military action) where it was clear there was a breach by Saddam and there was an unreasonable blockage of a Security Council resolution,” he told the Commons.

The widening divisions poisoned relations between the allies and led to angry scenes at Nato, where France and Germany blocked a decision on whether to prepare support for America’s military build-up in the Gulf.

Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, criticised his French and German counterparts for weakening the international effort to disarm Iraq. Mr Powell was said to be furious with the French and he admitted that he had “a candid and honest forthright exchange of views” with Dominique de Villepin, the French Foreign Minister.

He said that comments by Joschka Fischer, the German Foreign Minister, had provoked him into warning the Security Council “not to be shocked into impotence because we are afraid of difficult choices”.

Dr Blix conceded on his return from Baghdad yesterday that Iraq was still not providing the “proactive” co-operation that he wants and said that he still had “grave questions”. Iraq was not divulging enough data and had blocked his inspectors from interviewing scientists in private.

Last night Mr Bush urged his allies not to ignore “incredibly troubling and disturbing” evidence that Iraq was flouting the UN. “Saddam Hussein has learnt the lessons from the past,” he said in St Louis. “He asked for more time so he can give the so-called inspectors more runaround. He is interested in playing hide-and-seek in a huge country. He is not interested in disarming.”

The row leaves Britain torn between its European and American allegiances. Diplomatic sources said Britain was unlikely to join America in declaring Iraq in “further material breach” next week, the trigger for war. I do not think the inspectors will bring to the Security Council the basis for that,” one official said.

Britain appeared happy to go along with the German schedule because it buys time for the inspectors to turn up a “smoking gun” before the weather gets too hot for a military campaign. Mr Blix had not previously planned to return to the UN until March 1, considered too late to launch an attack before the spring heat.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-552032,00.html

regards

wild
 
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Germany blocks the road to war
by James Bone, Richard Beeston and Charles Bremner

GERMANY will use its power as incoming president of the UN Security Council to try to head off war with Iraq by asking the chief weapons inspectors to report twice in three weeks, The Times has learnt.
The surprise German effort to buy time appeared to be aimed at defusing the tension that is building around the chief inspector’s public report to the 15-nation council on Monday.

Germany fears that President Bush could use Hans Blix’s report — and his own State of the Union speech on Tuesday — as a trigger for war. It is therefore proposing bringing the inspectors back for a second assessment on February 14, having invited them to Berlin beforehand.

Berlin’s diplomatic move was launched as the allies’ simmering dispute over Iraq exploded into a heated row. The French and German leaders vowed to use all their influence to stop the war, while Washington and London fumed that efforts to disarm President Saddam Hussein were being undermined at a critical stage. Behind the scenes ministers on both sides were involved in angry exchanges.

President Chirac confirmed the impression of a looming clash with Washington and London by announcing that he and the German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder had agreed a common stand on Iraq. “Any decision belongs to the UN Security Council and to it alone, speaking after having heard the report of the arms inspectors, in conformity with the resolutions it has adopted,” he said after a Franco-German Cabinet meeting in the Elysée Palace. For us . . . war is always an admission of failure and the worst of all solutions. Everything should be done to avoid it.” Herr Schröder, in Paris to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Franco-German friendship treaty, said: “We agreed completely to harmonise our positions as closely as possible to find a peaceful solution to the Iraq crisis.”

He had earlier told cheering Social Democrat supporters that he would not vote in favour of “a resolution that legitimises war”. Germany, which assumes the Security Council presidency in February, will either vote against a war-enabling resolution or abstain.

Tony Blair hit back instantly by warning that Britain would be prepared to take military action against Iraq with or without a second UN Security Council resolution. “We would support it (military action) where it was clear there was a breach by Saddam and there was an unreasonable blockage of a Security Council resolution,” he told the Commons.

The widening divisions poisoned relations between the allies and led to angry scenes at Nato, where France and Germany blocked a decision on whether to prepare support for America’s military build-up in the Gulf.

Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, criticised his French and German counterparts for weakening the international effort to disarm Iraq. Mr Powell was said to be furious with the French and he admitted that he had “a candid and honest forthright exchange of views” with Dominique de Villepin, the French Foreign Minister.

He said that comments by Joschka Fischer, the German Foreign Minister, had provoked him into warning the Security Council “not to be shocked into impotence because we are afraid of difficult choices”.

Dr Blix conceded on his return from Baghdad yesterday that Iraq was still not providing the “proactive” co-operation that he wants and said that he still had “grave questions”. Iraq was not divulging enough data and had blocked his inspectors from interviewing scientists in private.

Last night Mr Bush urged his allies not to ignore “incredibly troubling and disturbing” evidence that Iraq was flouting the UN. “Saddam Hussein has learnt the lessons from the past,” he said in St Louis. “He asked for more time so he can give the so-called inspectors more runaround. He is interested in playing hide-and-seek in a huge country. He is not interested in disarming.”

The row leaves Britain torn between its European and American allegiances. Diplomatic sources said Britain was unlikely to join America in declaring Iraq in “further material breach” next week, the trigger for war. I do not think the inspectors will bring to the Security Council the basis for that,” one official said.

Britain appeared happy to go along with the German schedule because it buys time for the inspectors to turn up a “smoking gun” before the weather gets too hot for a military campaign. Mr Blix had not previously planned to return to the UN until March 1, considered too late to launch an attack before the spring heat.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-552032,00.html

regards

wild
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Jeez, wild, I already have numerous news sites bookmarked as well as a few TV sets scattered around the house.
 
Quote from wild:

Germany blocks the road to war
by James Bone, Richard Beeston and Charles Bremner

GERMANY will use its power as incoming president of the UN Security Council to try to head off war with Iraq by asking the chief weapons inspectors to report twice in three weeks, The Times has learnt.
The surprise German effort to buy time appeared to be aimed at defusing the tension that is building around the chief inspector’s public report to the 15-nation council on Monday.

Germany fears that President Bush could use Hans Blix’s report — and his own State of the Union speech on Tuesday — as a trigger for war. It is therefore proposing bringing the inspectors back for a second assessment on February 14, having invited them to Berlin beforehand.

Berlin’s diplomatic move was launched as the allies’ simmering dispute over Iraq exploded into a heated row. The French and German leaders vowed to use all their influence to stop the war, while Washington and London fumed that efforts to disarm President Saddam Hussein were being undermined at a critical stage. Behind the scenes ministers on both sides were involved in angry exchanges.

President Chirac confirmed the impression of a looming clash with Washington and London by announcing that he and the German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder had agreed a common stand on Iraq. “Any decision belongs to the UN Security Council and to it alone, speaking after having heard the report of the arms inspectors, in conformity with the resolutions it has adopted,” he said after a Franco-German Cabinet meeting in the Elysée Palace. For us . . . war is always an admission of failure and the worst of all solutions. Everything should be done to avoid it.” Herr Schröder, in Paris to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Franco-German friendship treaty, said: “We agreed completely to harmonise our positions as closely as possible to find a peaceful solution to the Iraq crisis.”

He had earlier told cheering Social Democrat supporters that he would not vote in favour of “a resolution that legitimises war”. Germany, which assumes the Security Council presidency in February, will either vote against a war-enabling resolution or abstain.

Tony Blair hit back instantly by warning that Britain would be prepared to take military action against Iraq with or without a second UN Security Council resolution. “We would support it (military action) where it was clear there was a breach by Saddam and there was an unreasonable blockage of a Security Council resolution,” he told the Commons.

The widening divisions poisoned relations between the allies and led to angry scenes at Nato, where France and Germany blocked a decision on whether to prepare support for America’s military build-up in the Gulf.

Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, criticised his French and German counterparts for weakening the international effort to disarm Iraq. Mr Powell was said to be furious with the French and he admitted that he had “a candid and honest forthright exchange of views” with Dominique de Villepin, the French Foreign Minister.

He said that comments by Joschka Fischer, the German Foreign Minister, had provoked him into warning the Security Council “not to be shocked into impotence because we are afraid of difficult choices”.

Dr Blix conceded on his return from Baghdad yesterday that Iraq was still not providing the “proactive” co-operation that he wants and said that he still had “grave questions”. Iraq was not divulging enough data and had blocked his inspectors from interviewing scientists in private.

Last night Mr Bush urged his allies not to ignore “incredibly troubling and disturbing” evidence that Iraq was flouting the UN. “Saddam Hussein has learnt the lessons from the past,” he said in St Louis. “He asked for more time so he can give the so-called inspectors more runaround. He is interested in playing hide-and-seek in a huge country. He is not interested in disarming.”

The row leaves Britain torn between its European and American allegiances. Diplomatic sources said Britain was unlikely to join America in declaring Iraq in “further material breach” next week, the trigger for war. I do not think the inspectors will bring to the Security Council the basis for that,” one official said.

Britain appeared happy to go along with the German schedule because it buys time for the inspectors to turn up a “smoking gun” before the weather gets too hot for a military campaign. Mr Blix had not previously planned to return to the UN until March 1, considered too late to launch an attack before the spring heat.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-552032,00.html

regards

wild
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Didn't Germany fail in the past to block America from it's destiny to remove dictatorships?

How about Germany and France sendiing their troops to Iraq to fight on the side of Iraq when America begins their conquest of Iraq......

ya, right.
 
read/hear Hitler´s pre-WWII "peace" speeches and compare them to Dubya´s. the similarity is striking and frightening ... to say the least.

regards

wild
 
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