Look Rogue, don't expect much from these guys. After all their hero is the imbecile in the White House.
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- Thread starter dgmodel
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Look Rogue, don't expect much from these guys. After all their hero is the imbecile in the White House.
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What makes you think Bush is an imbecile?
Quote from Jeffo:
Do the liberals have a solution or do they just like to complain and spew paranoid rantings?
Jeff,
In there own minds they have solutions or rather what they deem as solutions. Not real big on history though.
By and large they are pacifists who feel constantly victimized. Being a pacifists in and of itself isn't a bad thing, as long as that approach works.
What they've never figured out is that sometimes that approach doesn't work. Victims have the mentality that someone will come to the rescue, therefore there is no need for they themselves to be aggressive. Sometimes they attack the rescuer for being to forceful, not realizing the rescuer is the one fighting the battle and knows what it takes to win.
They rant, rave and make hysterical accusations because over the years that is what they found works. Kinda like a husband trying to stand his ground when his wife resorts to tears. There comes a time though when you have to get tough and just say "cry if you want, it has to be this way"
Their thought process gets very complicated at times. That's why I drew the comparison between a liberal and a woman suffering with PMS.
After the depression the government stepped in a bailed everyone out. That was okay, but the entitlements continued until you have generation after generation believing it was the governments job to "rescue" them. Even businesses got into the mode of expecting help to solve their blundering mistakes.
Neither party is completely right nor completely wrong. You'll find more liberals than conservatives that won't compromise though.
Quote from FireWalker:
What makes you think Bush is an imbecile?
First you have to understand that historically liberals have been name callers. Some conservatives are starting to fight back and do a little name calling themselves. Of course when that happens, liberals are VERY offended and indignant. Nothing like the pot calling the kettle black.
Quote from cdbern:
First you have to understand that historically liberals have been name callers. Some conservatives are starting to fight back and do a little name calling themselves. Of course when that happens, liberals are VERY offended and indignant. Nothing like the pot calling the kettle black.
Yeah, name calling and ad hominems are very effective ways to argue. Liberals are still much better at it though. Kind of like arguing with a woman.
I was just curious what tangible reasons they might come up with for why they say Bush is an imbecile.
"Do the liberals have a solution or do they just like to complain and spew paranoid rantings?"
Another ad hominem attack. And you wonder why people don't want to engage in discussions with people who do nothing but resort to personal attacks, flaming and logical fallacy?
For the uneducated, an explanation of ad hominem follows. I often call such behavior "Hannityism" because it is the tool Sean Hannity employs on a constant basis.
Bigotry, racism, scapegoat-ism practitioners all employ ad hominem technology as they categorize negatively an entire group of people on no logical foundation beyond their own personal prejudices. Rather than separate the issues from the man and argue the issues on the merit of the issues, they make the man the issue as it is easier to attack a man when you cannot make a case against the issue.
Description of Ad Hominem
Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."
An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:
1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.
Example of Ad Hominem
Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."
Another ad hominem attack. And you wonder why people don't want to engage in discussions with people who do nothing but resort to personal attacks, flaming and logical fallacy?
For the uneducated, an explanation of ad hominem follows. I often call such behavior "Hannityism" because it is the tool Sean Hannity employs on a constant basis.
Bigotry, racism, scapegoat-ism practitioners all employ ad hominem technology as they categorize negatively an entire group of people on no logical foundation beyond their own personal prejudices. Rather than separate the issues from the man and argue the issues on the merit of the issues, they make the man the issue as it is easier to attack a man when you cannot make a case against the issue.
Description of Ad Hominem
Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."
An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:
1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.
Example of Ad Hominem
Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."
Quote from Jeffo:
I don't know what ad hominim or Hannityism is, I just know Rogue doesn't want to talk about the subject of the thread, anything but, in fact. (Sure likes to whine though. Nothing new.)Oh well. Is hominim like a synonym? Do the liberals have a solution or do they just like to complain and spew paranoid rantings?
Quote from cdbern:
First you have to understand that historically liberals have been name callers. Some conservatives are starting to fight back and do a little name calling themselves. Of course when that happens, liberals are VERY offended and indignant. Nothing like the pot calling the kettle black.
What a joke. Tune in the AM radio dial and listen to the SPEW that issues forth from legions of right wing wacko talk show hosts. The hate that is fomented; the lies that are told; nothing matters but ideology; truth is tossed right out the window. It's worse than mean-spirited. These guys are all a bunch of junior Goebbels, shamelessy sucking up to the power elite and filling ordinary folks heads full of lies.
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Quote from FireWalker:
Yeah, name calling and ad hominems are very effective ways to argue. Liberals are still much better at it though. Kind of like arguing with a woman.
I was just curious what tangible reasons they might come up with for why they say Bush is an imbecile.
You must not be paying attention.
http://www.bushisms.com/
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm
http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/
etc...