Bush wants $50 billion more for Iraq

Who says the Sunni's, Shiit'es, and Kurds want a western democracy? Did not they choose to theocracy in Iran by putting in the Ayatollah?

Why do we have to pick a side in the first place, can't we work together for America?

I love America, I want Americans to stop fighting with each other over politcal extremism, from either side. Why do we have to blindly follow either sides talking points? I am an independent, registered as such, and like lower taxes, am a fiscal conservative, work well with a bunch of republicans and democrats, without figting or name-calling, and yet this stupid damn war is burning up too much in the way of lives and money.

Once again, can you imagine what would have happened, if, during our cival war, France decided to invade the Country? My guess is that we would beat the crap out of France, and then go back to fighting each other.



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Quote from mtwokay:

Let me answer some of your questions with a question. What’s the cost of life, our economy, our security, stability in the region and around the globe should we leave before Iraq is stabilized. What is the $$ value of life lost (Americans, Iraqis, and coalition forces), and cost of going back in under far worse circumstances? Either way, we pay for it. It’s a bargain right now. You should hope, no pray, that we succeed now.

Me complain? Where? I’m just pointing out 3 billion per day is cheap to stabilize the region and provide 25+ million people the opportunity to enjoy the same liberties and freedom you enjoy. Since no one has yet to place a value on freedom and liberty I’ll assume it’s infinite for those that already have it, which makes 3B/day seem pretty cheap.

Now about sacrifice.

1. When did it become a requirement that all Americans should feel the sting of war? Where in our constitution does it say when America goes to war, everyone must sacrifice?

2. Is this a moral issue for you or are you just trying to impose your morality on others? So whenever our troops are in a war to secure America, stabilize a region of the world, or provide freedom and liberty to 25+ million everyone must sacrifice otherwise they’re some kind of hypocrite?

Everyone in America is sacrificing because of this war to one degree or another. Our soldiers who volunteer to serve pay the ultimate sacrifice but many honor their sacrifice by providing aid and comfort to the enemy. What you and many don’t realize is the decision to go to war was made years ago. All discourse against the war now plays into the hands of the enemy.

Which side are you on?


3B a day for 25M shitbag animals fighting a civil war?

I'm surely not on your side. Neither are 3 out of 4 Americans or whatever it's up to now.

You're in lala land pal.
 
This is the utmost hypocrisy I have seen so far. By your accounting method, we must value the F&L of the people of Sudan at 0$ per head.


Quote from mtwokay:

Three billion per day seems like a small price for humanity to pay to provide 25+ million people the opportunity to enjoy the same freedom and liberty you and I enjoy, right?

What’s your freedom and liberty worth to you? How much would I have to pay to own you and take away all of your freedoms and liberties? (Remember once I own you I also own your money). So now what’s your freedom worth? Assign it a dollar value.

Multiple that number by 24 million (25 minus the 1 million that don’t value life) and you should have a fairly good idea of what life is worth to 24 million Iraqis.

Now is 3 billion per day too much to pay for providing 24+ million the same liberty and freedom you have?

Oh I forgot we have a different system of valuation for Iraqis because they’re not American or live in a country that assigns much value to liberty and freedom, right? Ok, half the amount freedom and liberty are worth to YOU and repeat the above process.

Please let me know when freedom and liberty are affordable. I’d like to buy some permanent help for the ranch.
 
Quote from mtwokay:

Three billion per day seems like a small price for humanity to pay to provide 25+ million people the opportunity to enjoy the same freedom and liberty you and I enjoy, right?
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Spoken like a true, evil, godless, bleeding heart, pro-terrorist, liberal leftist communist lol.

But seriously, you need to read this: Troops don't defend our freedoms these days:

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0510g.asp

Here is where the money is going:


Cartel_Target.jpg
 
Quote from mtwokay:

Let me answer some of your questions with a question. What’s the cost of life, our economy, our security, stability in the region and around the globe should we leave before Iraq is stabilized. What is the $$ value of life lost (Americans, Iraqis, and coalition forces), and cost of going back in under far worse circumstances? Either way, we pay for it. It’s a bargain right now. You should hope, no pray, that we succeed now.

Me complain? Where? I’m just pointing out 3 billion per day is cheap to stabilize the region and provide 25+ million people the opportunity to enjoy the same liberties and freedom you enjoy. Since no one has yet to place a value on freedom and liberty I’ll assume it’s infinite for those that already have it, which makes 3B/day seem pretty cheap.

Now about sacrifice.

1. When did it become a requirement that all Americans should feel the sting of war? Where in our constitution does it say when America goes to war, everyone must sacrifice?

2. Is this a moral issue for you or are you just trying to impose your morality on others? So whenever our troops are in a war to secure America, stabilize a region of the world, or provide freedom and liberty to 25+ million everyone must sacrifice otherwise they’re some kind of hypocrite?

Everyone in America is sacrificing because of this war to one degree or another. Our soldiers who volunteer to serve pay the ultimate sacrifice but many honor their sacrifice by providing aid and comfort to the enemy. What you and many don’t realize is the decision to go to war was made years ago. All discourse against the war now plays into the hands of the enemy.

Which side are you on?


In regards to the Iraq war.

There are numerous things wrong with being at war in iraq ... here are a few.

1. Bush and his cronies duped the american people to want to go to war. They made up lie after lie

2. So 3 billion per day so we can
a. See our sons and daughters come back in caskets or with their arms and legs blown off or to suffer years of post-tramatic stress disorder or to be severly damaged by all the 'vaccinations'.
b. To create more terrorists then there were previously
c. To create instability in the region

3. If anyone didnt notice our country needs work. And spending and putting the US into more and more debt isnt the way to do it


Bush and His iraq war reminds me of a really bad trader (reminds me of one of the first trades I ever did).
So if a losing trade doesnt work out what do we do? dbl down? stay in for the 'long haul' ... stay the course itll come back ... because we believe the stock wants us in the trade that will make the stock go higher ...

The only way the iraqs are going to stand up if we arnt there and they have too. Its just a mess there; with iran supplying weapons and training/ corrupt police etc ...

Its kind of funny but Im living in the UK atm ... and british has what about 1/100th of the force in iraq that the US does and loses about 1/100th of the men and woman there. But they have like 4x the negativity about the war then the US - most people here hate the war and its waste.


and to top it all off ...

So let me get this straight; we were trying to impeech Clinton because he got some action and we let the current president spend trillons of dollars on a trumped up war and let thousands upon thounsands of men and woman die for a lie???

Maybe you guys dont remember all the lies Bush and his cronies told to get the gulliable american people behind his war ... he was trying to get the UN too but they wernt biting.

WMD, nuclear weapons, Saddam is in bed with the al-quida, wed help root out terrorism, the iraqi people want us there see us as liberators
 
Quote from TorontoTrader2:

Spoken like a true, evil, godless, bleeding heart, pro-terrorist, liberal leftist communist lol.

But seriously, you need to read this: Troops don't defend our freedoms these days:

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0510g.asp

Here is where the money is going:


Cartel_Target.jpg

until i see your chart, looks like building an empire invading and colonising (conquering) all the oil rich nations until the pretext of ... => give us your ... or we wipe u off the map
 
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