Bush refuses to answer questions about spying on Americans....

[hapaboy]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

With 95 percent of a preliminary tally from the Dec. 15 vote now completed, Chalabi remained almost 8,000 votes short of the 40,000 minimum needed for him or his bloc to win a single seat in the 275-seat National Assembly, according to election officials. Without a seat in the assembly, Chalabi would presumably be unable to obtain a post in the resulting government.

I guess most Iraqis have other plans. And it seems the Iraqi people possess better instincts when it comes to judging Chalabi than the Bush administration,

Is any further proof then required by the Left that what is transpiring in Iraq is democracy at work?

The rejection of Chalabi shows that Iraqis are deciding for themselves whom they want to represent them.

As it should be.


Interesting that:

The Left mocks the THREE major elections held in Iraq, saying they will be disasters.

Incredible voter turnout, and the Left relegates the stories to the back pages and churns out a leak of national security instead.

Then the Iraqi people decide they do not want a certain person to represent them, a person the Left has derided, and what does the Left do? Instead of hailing the democratic process by which that person was rejected, they mock it, and the President whom made it possible to begin with.

Just another example of why the Left is steadily losing ground, and why they will be toast with the electorate for the foreseeable future.

 

[Trader5287]

Quote from nicolain:

i am not a US citizen.

i used to love the country and going there till 9/11.

i always claimed that i love the US people and only had a problem with the current administration. after reading through the posts in this thread, i've changed my stance, sadly.

We're having a bad time here Nicolain. The country has become increasingly divided in the fallout from 9/11 from Capitol Hill right down to these boards at ET.

There's plenty of decent Americans here and all across the republic that want to do the right thing - if we can figure out what in hell it is. That's what we're fighting about now. It's going to get more chaotic too.

We'll get by it I'm pretty sure.

Geo.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

The "right" thing is the issue.

On one had we have principles, on the other hand we have an "end justifies the means" group.

This from Maureen Dowd today:

We start the new year with the same old fear: Dick Cheney.

The vice president, who believes in unwarranted, unlimited snooping, is so pathologically secretive that if you use Google Earth's database to see his official residence, the view is scrambled and obscured. You can view satellite photos of the White House, the Pentagon and the Capitol - but not of the Lord of the Underworld's lair.

Quote from Trader5287:

We're having a bad time here Nicolain. The country has become increasingly divided in the fallout from 9/11 from Capitol Hill right down to these boards at ET.

There's plenty of decent Americans here and all across the republic that want to do the right thing - if we can figure out what in hell it is. That's what we're fighting about now. It's going to get more chaotic too.

We'll get by it I'm pretty sure.

Geo.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

The "right" thing is the issue.

On one had we have principles, on the other hand we have an "end justifies the means" group.

Yes, the Left, as exemplified by the NY Times, ascribes to principles, including:

--Endangering national security

--Blatant hypocrisy

--Dishonest attacks on the President

--Outright distortions of American troops' accomplishments and commitment to their mission in Iraq

--Unabashed support for the anti-war moonbats

--Unobjective "journalism"

 

[RobMc]

And the right, as exemplified by the White House ascribes to principles, including:

--Endangering national security

--Blatant hypocrisy

--Dishonest attacks on anyone who disagrees with them

--Outright distortions of American troops' accomplishments and commitment to their mission in Iraq

--Unabashed support for the pro-war moonbats

--Unobjective reporting

 

[kingcobra]

impeach that scumbag.

 

[AltarEgo15]

Quote from hapaboy:

Is any further proof then required by the Left that what is transpiring in Iraq is democracy at work?

The rejection of Chalabi shows that Iraqis are deciding for themselves whom they want to represent them.

As it should be.


Interesting that:

The Left mocks the THREE major elections held in Iraq, saying they will be disasters.

Incredible voter turnout, and the Left relegates the stories to the back pages and churns out a leak of national security instead.

Then the Iraqi people decide they do not want a certain person to represent them, a person the Left has derided, and what does the Left do? Instead of hailing the democratic process by which that person was rejected, they mock it, and the President whom made it possible to begin with.

Just another example of why the Left is steadily losing ground, and why they will be toast with the electorate for the foreseeable future.

Let me ask you something . . .

Will you be hailing and embracing the Democratic process in Iraq if the Iraqi people decide to trade the Bathist Party fascists that were in power before we lost over 2,100 American soliders lives . . . for some religious fascists with ties to Tehran?

Are you going to be "ok" with the distinct possibility that the the democratic enterprise in Iraq appears to have empowered proponents of sharia law with alarmingly close ties to the terror masters of Iran?

I think that you would have to be highly naive to think that Muslim democratic realities have much in common with Western democracy theories. In other words, what we see in Iraq and in the rest of the Muslim world is that the political freedom to vote doesn't guarantee election results that we in the West would in any way equate with political freedom.

Sometimes Democracy isn't Democratic.

And by all means, when answering my question try taking a little closer look at what is actually going on rather than the typical George Bush cheerleading and "right vs left" bs that you appear to fall into on a consistent basis in these Forums.

Thank You.
I look forward to your answer.

 

[kingcobra]

don't worry.
iraq soon will be taken over by iran's shites.

 

[dgabriel]

Hapless, you were the kid in the 3rd grade who always told on the other boys to the teacher, weren't you.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from AltarEgo15:

Let me ask you something . . .

Let me tell you something.

First of all, your post did not address my points you quoted at all.

Second of all, you presuppose many "ifs." But that's par for the course with liberals. It's always "what if we fail" instead of "what can be achieved." Reagan was a war-mongering hawk who would lead us to nuclear apocalypse with the USSR, and so on and so forth.

You ask me to take a closer look at what is actually going on. I ask you to do the same - to look beyond the MSM slant and take a look at the entire situation.

I see a country that has engaged in a democratic process and is struggling to get on its feet after decades of tyranny.

I see the potential for the first true democracy in the Arab world that has never known one, an opportunity to address the roots of Islamofascism in its own backyard, to set an example for the other Arab populations of what is possible under democracy, and the ramifications of that success will be enjoyed by the whole globe as a result.

Of course there is the possibilty of failure, there always is. But I'm convinced the fruits of success far outweigh the thorns of failure.

If you consider the above "right v.s left b.s." that you accuse me of - yet clearly engage in yourself - I don't really give a shit.

What probably differentiates a lot of us on this board is that were it a Democratic president doing what Bush is doing, he would have my wholehearted support.