Bush refuses to answer questions about spying on Americans....

[hapaboy]

Quote from Pabst:

Ultimately, about as many Americans will take umbrage at Bush for spying on potential terrorists as would suburbanites yack at a county prosecutor who conducts a web sting ferreting out internet pedophilia. To a society, of which the vast majority are law abiding, yet whom on a regular basis are subject to drunk driving checkpoints, airline searches and in some cases random IRS audits, the notion of big brother conducting warrantless surveillance against potential terrorists is hardly nerve shattering.

Bingo!

The message being sent by the lib MSM and many Dims is, "We think we want to catch the terrorists, but we don't want to watch them." The geiger-counter monitoring story is just another example.

The more the Democrats make an issue of this, the worse they look when it comes to national security issues.

This is really going to bite them in the ass when elections roll around. Normally I'd be ecstatic about another Dim jackass moment, but as we're dealing with national security, it just pisses me off.

 

[jzlucas]

Quote from hapaboy:

Then we should all applaud Joe Liebermann for not limiting himself "to knee jerk party line partisan crap talking points" and having a position "of objectivity and clarity" when he disagreed with Democratic leadership about the situation in Iraq.

Brilliant post... the moon bats aint gonna like that!

 

[dddooo]

Quote from hapaboy:

So I ask again, and maybe this time you'll answer, if an Al Qaeda operative is talking to an American, or that American's phone number or e-mail address is found on a terrorist's cell phone or computer, is it "unreasonable" for our government to be monitoring that conversation or messages in order to detect and deter a possible terrorist attack on us again?

And I will answer you once again - if an AQ operative is talking to an american - go get a fucking warrant. If you can't get it before you started spying then get it 3 days later. And if you can't get it in three days and/or your warrant is denied by the judge - you have no fucking case, if the judge did not believe you were spying on an AQ operative - no reasonable person would either.

Quote from hapaboy:

FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."

Warrantless spying on americans is not part of president's constitutional power. Go live in China or Cuba if you believe it should be.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from Pabst:

If Bush had been wiretapping Maureen Dowd

And how do you know that he is not or will not do it tomorrow? Who watches him, who makes sure he's not abusing his "wiretapping" powers, have you ever heard of checks and balances? That's the whole fucking point, we have no idea who and based on what information he is wiretapping.

You trust him [blindly] and I don't and I don't have to and I should not, I am just doing my fucking civic duty making sure that our government is accountable and transparent, the civic duty that you betrayed for the sake of your fucking republican party loyalty. What a disgrace.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from dddooo:

fucking

fucking

Go live in China or Cuba if you believe it should be.

You don't like the laws, appeal for them to be changed.

The law is what it is, and IMO no crime was committed.

Since you're obviously very emotional and frustrated, perhaps it's better to let this end here.

And if the US is fast becoming another Cuba, China, or dictatorial nation via fascism, why should any of us move?

Merry Christmas.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from dddooo:

fucking

fucking

Go live in China or Cuba if you believe it should be.

LOL, Actually that was

Get a fucking warrant

Get a fucking warrant

Go live in China of Cuba if you don't mind to be wiretapped without a fucking warrant.

And Merry Christmas to you too!!!

 

[jzlucas]

Quote from dddooo:

And how do you know that he is not or will not do it tomorrow? Who watches him, who makes sure he's not abusing his "wiretapping" powers, have you ever heard of checks and balances? That's the whole fucking point, we have no idea who and based on what information he is wiretapping.

You trust him [blindly] and I don't and I don't have to and I should not, I am just doing my fucking civic duty making sure that our government is accountable and transparent, the civic duty that you betrayed for the sake of your fucking republican party loyalty. What a disgrace.

Impressive liberal language.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from jzlucas:

Impressive liberal language.

One must wonder why dddooo and the other libs don't get this upset about the numerous other instances of warrantless searches Americans undergo every day.

Ah, because if it doesn't attack Bush it isn't worth attacking...

 

[AltarEgo15]

Quote from dddooo:

And I will answer you once again - if an AQ operative is talking to an american - go get a fucking warrant. If you can't get it before you started spying then get it 3 days later. And if you can't get it in three days and/or your warrant is denied by the judge - you have no fucking case, if the judge did not believe you were spying on an AQ operative - no reasonable person would either.


Warrantless spying on americans is not part of president's constitutional power.

This really is the bottomline of this issue.

For some unknown reason that has yet to be explained by the White House and the Bush Administration, the FISA Court was circumvented. And as I asked in an earlier post that not one Bush supporter has been able to answer . . . why even have a FISA Court if the President has the constitutional power to avoid a legal procedure that is so inherent in our Democracy of checks and balances?

And for what it's worth, Arlen Spector isn't the only Republican that has a problem with the White House in this issue. The Republican Senator from South Carolina, Lindsey Graham also takes issue with Bush circumventing the FISA Court. As I recall, he was a Staff Judge Advocate during the first Gulf War.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from AltarEgo15:

And as I asked in an earlier post that not one Bush supporter has been able to answer . . . why even have a FISA Court if the President has the constitutional power to avoid a legal procedure that is so inherent in our Democracy of checks and balances?

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, Bush and administration officials have stated that FISA continues to be an important tool and often utilized.