Buffet and Dollar short

Quote from Coffeebean:

He's just a front for Rothschild money. Period.
or perhaps part of the british conspiracy to
control the mineral wealth of the world by using the enviromentalists as a front or is it the old line italian banks which have been around for over six centuries.
I think that all conspiracy theorists should have a diversified porfolio of theories that you can pull out of your hat on a second's notice depending on the current trend of angst and anxiety.
 
Quote from jaronimo:

Is it really betting against your own government?

Its not like he is causing it, he is only trying to profit from what is happening just like everyone else. I never heard that you could only go long dollars cause if you go short you are commie.

Isn't the dollar going down sometimes a good thing? I am no economics genius, but it seems to me that if the dollar goes down then products built in other countries get too expensive for us. And that would cause more American companies to produce those products at a price we could afford. Wouldn't that help our economy?

Wouldn't Americans spending their money on our own products not only help us, but keep us from making others rich? Why is it wrong to keep some of that cash here?

no country has ever succeded in increasing prosperity by depreciating its currency. the end result is that the currency becomes worthless and is replaced with a new currency
 
Quote from jasonjm:

http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/06/news/fortune500/berkshire_earnings.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes

OK, I am not even 1/50th the investor/trader that Buffet is, but I remember saying that he basically hates macroenonomics

so then why is he making a heavy one way bet against the USD? in a long term macroeconomic play?

he also says that it never pays to bet against the USA?

just seems like a lot of contradictions?

how do you "Value invest" currencies? they aren't companies, there are whole lots of politics, and other irrational things factored into what country people want to park their money in?

I don't know if anyone can say with certainty what the dollar will do.... both the AUD and NZD have bigger trade deficits than USA at 7% GDP (someone correct me if I am wrong) and they are very strong currencies

value of the currency has nothing to do with deficit as a percentage of GDP dont you know anything about macroeconomics??? the dollar in the U.S.A. is sinking because operating a heavy deficit budget causes inflation, inflation then causes less people wanting the shit all you stupid americans hawk, less exports equals less foreign demand for dollars, less demand = lower price of the U.S. dollar. do you get it ya stupid yankee??
 
Tomcole,

You have provided no reasoning for your argument.

So in the interest of a two-sided "debate", here is my well-argued opinion:

IMHO, all those betting in favour of the US dollar will get financially destroyed in the next 12 months. You heard it here first.

Quote from tomcole:

IMHO, all those betting against the dollar will get financially destroyed in the next 12 months. You heard it here first.
 
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=744491#post744491

Read the last 2 posts (fwd'ed stuff). Start with the letter by Mr Neely, Research Officer of St.Louis Fed, refuting the points that Bejing can dictate US policy.

Mr Neely's argument basically says: "So what if China sells? US dollar drops further by -20% to -50% (maybe more). Last time USD lost 50% of its value (86-87) nobody in US noticed. Just some american tourists cancelled their trips abroad"

I agree that it would make no economic sense for China or Japan or Korea or India etc to sell dollars for political reasons.

But what if some of these countries decide they want to ACTUALLY SPEND some of those dollars? To improve their local infrastructure, invest that capital domestically and improve their lifestyle, rather then keep $2.5trillion in US bonds in custody of Fed?

It's like having a lot of money in your bank account, but you can't take any of it out and spend it, because as soon as you do, it's purchasing value will drop like a rock. And this is the situation in which most of those countries are in. They have lots of USDs but can't SPEND them!

Those countries did it for political / mercantilistic reasons, knowing that they'll probably lose big on them, but would transfer jobs and know-how into their countries. So don't feel too bad for them.

USA was smart to unload lots of paper USD, in return for real goods and services. I would imagine that the USA will inflate its way out of those obligations (with a SHARPLY DEPRECIATED DOLLAR). Otherwise US would have to either default on those obligations (like Russia,Argentina etc), or the people of USA would have to work for decades just to payback the debt with interest.

Take your poison.

Buffet himself (to get back to the subject of this thread) said he believed US would inflate its way out of this debt. Which is why he hedged his exposure to the USD.

The following text is from recent article of Sean Corrigan of Sage capital:

4-may-2005
Trading up
As we write, in faraway Istanbul, the world’s biggest creditors are putting their heads together under the auspices of the Asian Development Bank’s annual meeting.

Given that the attendant countries hold roughly $2.5 trillion of foreign IOUs in their vaults (the vast majority of them Uncle Sam’s), it might behove the rest of us to listen in on some of their deliberations.

Indeed, the message was fairly unequivocal for, as Ifzal Ali – the ADB’s chief economist – told reporters:

“[The reserves] have grown far beyond what is [the] optimal level. It’s basically a reflection of a lack of imagination, a lack of innovativeness [sic] and to some extent a lack of self-confidence.”

He went on to add that:

“This is mercantilism at its worst. The reserves must be ploughed back into Asia and not sit in North America.”

Mr Ali argued that Asia must no longer rely solely on weaker currencies to boost exports, but that it must take “measures to boost domestic consumption and investment and liberalise trade”, while allowing appreciating exchange rates to spare their economies some of the impact of high oil prices.

While we’d be a tad suspicious of the detail of any central planner’s ‘measures’, preferring to return their property to the people and to let them take their own decisions as to how to best use it, we’d otherwise endorse this position wholeheartedly.

More to the point, it does appear as if Mr. Ali was preaching to the choir, as a finance ministers’ communiqué later made clear.

Moreover, to give this idea a little substance, we only need to consider that other speakers at the conference were keen to point out that infrastructure needs alone, in the region, come to some $40 billion a year and that this is a burden only likely to increase.

Though we are extremely wary of all such extrapolations, the ADB noted that, on current trends, whereas Asia's population of 3.1 billion contained 930 million - or 1 in 3 – urbanites, in just 15 years, the overall population will reach 4 billion, with 2.2 billion people – more than 1 in every 2 – then living in towns and cities.

Just to put this in 2.2 billion people in context, this is more people than were living on the planet when our fathers were born.

Just imagine another 1.3 billion people (another 4 ½ present-day Americas) no longer content to live in their fathers' simple cottages and lowly huts, growing subsistence crops; drinking, washing, and performing their ablutions in the local stream; using cow-dung or firewood for fuel – but eager instead to reside in urban apartment blocks, surrounded by concrete and copper wire, lit with electricity, furnished with TV and microwaves, serviced with showers and sanitation, and all eating processed (and transported) foods?

Nothing is certain in this life, much less such long-range, demographic-style projections like this, but, it is an unavoidable conclusion that, if only a part of this scenario comes to pass, you can probably kiss goodbye to any idea of ‘deflation’ – or, rather, falling real prices – of scarce resources, especially if you happen to belong to a country whose main export is a reserve currency arguably approaching its sell-by date and whose blind acquisition is no longer regarded by its suppliers as ‘optimal.’

Asians' prodigious habits of saving may be about to be switched from finding their outlet in the illusory medium of claims against Americans' homes and taxable incomes, and into increasing the material means of production around them.

With numbers this large, the margin for errors inevitably induced by foolish policy and bad economics will also be substantial, so – deflationists, please note - the future of civilization may not simply revolve around Wal-Mart’s weekly takings, or about the ever-rising price of a Clay County condo, but around millions of new producers, an ocean away, beginning to enjoy much more of the fruits of their own assiduous labours.
 
how to get rich REAL easy...

if you think about it, B-Hathaway shares came with ONE major instruction to their purchasers:

"NEVER SELL."

If YOU owned shares of a company that NEVER sold any, you'd get rich too because the value of each share would go through the roof.

Exactly as the price of B-Hathaway's shares have.

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"I think that all conspiracy theorists should have a diversified porfolio of theories that you can pull out of your hat on a second's notice depending on the current trend of angst and anxiety."

Not me, I just make this sh(t up as I go along! But thanks for the insult. CB
 
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