Bubble of the US world hegemony

want to travel somewhere (not to Vegas) make sure you wear your (fake) Canadian flag t-shirt (like brave US citizens) did during Vietnam WAR or have you already forgotten that one...?

It is easy to be an arm-chair soldier and pretend that those civilians dead are just "reality" TV show...
 
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It is easy to be an arm-chair soldier and pretend that those civilians dead are just "reality" TV show...
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It is even easier to be anti-war. One can never be wrong by opposing a war. Whether you turn out to be right or wrong in the end makes no difference whatsoever. You can always be proud of yourself for trying to protect innocent lives while other savages and war-mongers (USA and Brits) wanted to indiscriminately kill innocent women and children. Makes one feel soooo self-righteous.

And BTW the Vietnam war was lost. You know what happened to the country - it became a poor mediocre communist dictatorship. What an amazing achievenemt of anti-war movement.
 
Babak:

`msfe,

what do you think about the fact that the French rejected the new British compromise before the Iraqis did? Doesn't that strike you in the least bit as odd?´

not at all - the Iraqis are not members of the UN Security Council
 
Soros reminds me of Ted Turner. Making a lot of money trading other people's money doesn't give you any special insight into world affairs. They try to wrap themselves with moral superiority by embracing socialist causes, but where were Soros' concerns for mankind when he was ruining the economies of England and small far eastern countries?

On the real issue of when is preemptive war justifiable, even the liberal's favorite President, JFK, was ready to take preemptive action to protect us from nuke missiles in Cuba. If a madman is pointing a loaded gun at you, you don't have to wait for him to fire to defend yourself.
 
in reality I am apolitical - if we have a war
or not it's no personal consequence to me.(aside that I see it as senseless loss of life and my tax dollars and makes me puke...)

But we lost the war in Vietnam precisely because it was unpopular.
and if we start this one there is no stopping and we soon will find us another Vietnam. Mark my words !
 
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Here's the truth for those not too blind to see it.....THERE IS NO PEACE EXCEPT LULLS BETWEEN CONFLICTS. That is the history of the world.
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this is true. from the first page of history men with power have been sending men without power to kill each other for land and property.

although this modern conflict is apparently based on ideology rather than property.
 
Madison:`although this modern conflict is apparently based on ideology rather than property.´


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"But we lost the war in Vietnam precisely because it was unpopular.
and if we start this one there is no stopping and we soon will find us another Vietnam. Mark my words !"

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you are saying this is another vietnam?

would you care to comment on what this situation has in common with vietnam?
 
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and if we start this one there is no stopping and we soon will find us another Vietnam. Mark my words !
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You can't seriously think that Iraqis are going to fight the way Vietnamese did. We already saw them in action in 1991. They ain't that tough. They were trying to surrender then to Italian journalists then, they already started to surrender now, even before the war broke out.

And with all my due respect, predictions like yours were all over the place 1.5 years ago before Afghanistan:
they will never surrender, they beat the Russians, the Arab street will explode, the terrorism will be on the rise. None of it materialized then, the chances are good it will not happen now.
 
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